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    http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angele...ory?id=6648603

    LOS ANGELES -- The head of the sports and entertainment firm that wants to build an NFL stadium in downtown Los Angeles has been in talks with officials from five teams about the proposed venue, a company official said Friday.

    Anschutz Entertainment Group President and CEO Tim Leiweke has spoken with representatives from the Minnesota Vikings, San Diego Chargers, Oakland Raiders, St. Louis Rams and Jacksonville Jaguars, company spokesman Michael Roth told The Associated Press.

    Leiweke said all those teams are "in the mix," but conceded, "We're not packing any (moving) vans right now," according to the Orange County Register, which was first to report on the talks.

    The most recent discussion took place a week ago, said Leiweke, who didn't specify which team was involved.

    Leiweke also told the Register that AEG owner Philip Anschutz was prepared to acquire a majority stake in an NFL team that would play at the proposed venue and that the company was willing to pay for a team to get out of its current lease.

    AEG's $1 billion plan for a 72,000-seat stadium on part of the city's convention center campus is one of two competing proposals that aim to bring pro football back to Los Angeles 15 years after the Rams and Raiders left the nation's second-largest market within months of one another.

    Warehouse magnate Ed Roski has permits in place to build a separate 75,000-seat stadium about 15 miles east of Los Angeles, in the city of Industry, but has also not secured a team.

    Chargers spokesman Mark Fabiani told the AP that the team is in frequent contact with Leiweke concerning unrelated business, but that a move to Los Angeles has not been discussed.

    He stressed that Chargers owner Alex Spanos and his family were not interested in relinquishing a majority stake of the team.

    The family recently terminated an agreement with Goldman Sachs Group Inc. to shop around a stake in the team they considered selling to reduce the 87-year-old Spanos' estate tax liability upon his death, Fabiani said.

    "So if AEG is seeking a majority stake in a team, it would probably be best for AEG to cross the Chargers off its wish list," he said.

    Raiders CEO Amy Trask said in a statement through spokesman John Herrera that the franchise would remain with the family of owner Al Davis.

    "The team is not for sale," Trask said.

    Herrera had no comment on whether a move would be contemplated if Davis retained ownership.

    Vikings spokesman Lester Bagley acknowledged that the franchise had been approached by AEG and Roski's group about the possibility of becoming a Southern California team, but said the franchise had no immediate interest in a move.

    He said the Vikings hoped state legislators would approve funding to subsidize a new stadium in the Twin Cities when they convene a special session to hash out a budget resolution.

    "We believe we're in a position to resolve our stadium issue in Minnesota this year," he said.

    Messages left with the Rams and Jaguars were not returned.

    NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy declined to comment on whether the league was aware of team discussions with AEG.

    "Teams are permitted to talk to third parties," McCarthy said in a statement.
    In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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    Re: 5 teams contacted about relocation to LA

    This can be very interesting.

    Most of these teams have a good reason to leave for a new stadium. The Vikings, Chargers, and Raiders all are in need of a new stadium.

    The Rams and Jaguars don't really have much revenue in attendance and it's been that way for a good while, but they play in relatively new stadiums and are under a lease so it might be safe to rule them out FOR NOW.

    So 2 of these 3 teams have the best chance of moving it appears. The Chargers, Vikings, and Raiders.

    Should be interesting once the stadium is finished and God knows when that'll be.

    If anything, between now and then, the Buffalo Bills probably have a good chance of moving to Toronto depending on ownership.
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      id love to see the Rams go back to L.A When i was younger i grew up a rams fan (born and raised in Los Angeles until i was 13)
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        Considering LA's track record with teams I cannot figure out why anyone is gaga over the prospect of putting a team in LA. I can understand why the league would want a team in the LA market but I can't understand why any owner would want to oblige them.

        I think there's too many other activities in LA to support a team long term during lean times.

        The owners are always going to be looking for greener pastures after a few years.
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          Re: 5 teams contacted about relocation to LA

          On ESPN, they think it might be the Chargers and Raiders. Either the owners will sell or move with the team. Either way, they really need stadiums.

          Those 2 because they think the Vikings will be able to get some kind of new stadium in place within this time span and the Rams and Jaguars stadiums are fairly new.
          In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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            I think the LA team will succeed if the downtown proposal goes through. But if the stadium gets built in the city of Industry it'll probably fail.

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              Re: 5 teams contacted about relocation to LA

              Originally posted by Bball View Post
              Considering LA's track record with teams I cannot figure out why anyone is gaga over the prospect of putting a team in LA.

              I think there's too many other activities in LA to support a team long term during lean times.
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              Nonsense. The LA metro area has over 17 million people- it can support a team in the lean years. The only issue between the NFL and LA was the lack of a quality stadium in which to place a prospective team. That issue appears to be resolved assuming this Farmers Field proposal is legitimate which it seems to be.

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                Re: 5 teams contacted about relocation to LA

                LA had teams prior. Now they don't for various reasons. Do they really need another team?

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                  Re: 5 teams contacted about relocation to LA

                  Rooting for the Jag to come here and somehow stay in the division so I can catch a colts away game every season.

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                    Re: 5 teams contacted about relocation to LA

                    Originally posted by hoosierguy View Post
                    Nonsense. The LA metro area has over 17 million people- it can support a team in the lean years. The only issue between the NFL and LA was the lack of a quality stadium in which to place a prospective team. That issue appears to be resolved assuming this Farmers Field proposal is legitimate which it seems to be.
                    You really need to step away from the stadium issue Koolaid...

                    With 17mil people you'd think if the potential fanbase cared enough about their own team they would support it enough to see that they were profitable in an existing stadium and would find plenty of support for a new stadium for the existing team so the owners could make even more money.

                    Instead, LA NFL teams have moved away.

                    History is a great predictor of the future.
                    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                      Re: 5 teams contacted about relocation to LA

                      LA already has two professional football teams. USC and UCLA. The USC players would probably have to take pay cuts when they get drafted.

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                        Originally posted by Bball View Post
                        You really need to step away from the stadium issue Koolaid...

                        With 17mil people you'd think if the potential fanbase cared enough about their own team they would support it enough to see that they were profitable in an existing stadium and would find plenty of support for a new stadium for the existing team so the owners could make even more money.

                        Instead, LA NFL teams have moved away.

                        History is a great predictor of the future.
                        What does this even mean?

                        Are you trying to say that if the NFL was so popular in LA, then voters would have approved a tax increase to pay for a new stadium? No such vote was ever held and the two newest stadiums in California- AT & T Field in San Francisco and the Staples Center in Los Angeles- were privately financed.

                        Please post sober next time.

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                          Apparently the Jags have an "unbreakable" lease on their stadium for the next several years. They're not going anywhere, attendance problems be dammed.

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                            Jim Irsay just tweeted

                            @JimIrsay: I wish Jag fans could really understad how committed W.Weaver is 2 Jacksonville..his passion 2 make it work n FLA is unprecedented n noble.
                            Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                              Re: 5 teams contacted about relocation to LA

                              Originally posted by hoosierguy View Post
                              What does this even mean?

                              Are you trying to say that if the NFL was so popular in LA, then voters would have approved a tax increase to pay for a new stadium? No such vote was ever held and the two newest stadiums in California- AT & T Field in San Francisco and the Staples Center in Los Angeles- were privately financed.

                              Please post sober next time.
                              You need to put down the stadium koolaid.

                              I'm saying if LA was an NFL hotbed they wouldn't have already lost a couple of teams in the modern era.

                              Actually, considering your screen name, why don't you work on IU getting a new arena and replacing Assembly Hall. That's a place that could use a new venue for a host of reasons.
                              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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