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    I went to a season ticket holder breakfast this morning at Conseco that was held in the player's locker room. To my surprise there were only 4 of us that showed up and the guest speakers were Chris Denari and Clark Kellogg. Because there were only a few of us, we all just sat down at a table and chatted hoops for an hour. The tidbits that I remember and stuck out to me were-

    -Both Chris and Clark listed the players that impressed them the most that worked out for us were in this consensus order- Marshon Brooks, Tobias Harris, Jimmer. Chris and Clark raved about Brooks saying he was a pure scorer and that's something the P's were obviously looking for and Clark commented on Brooks' tremendous length and how he really did look like Kobe when he first came into the league. Clark also seemed impressed with Harris potential, and both agreed that there was a place for Jimmer in this league just because he can shoot the basketball so effectively. Clark compared him to JJ Barea with a better shot- But the overwhelming vibe I got was that Brooks was really the guy they felt the P's were targeting and that he was most impressive.

    -Clark spoke in length about his role with the P's and mainly his role with Lance. Gushed about Lance's ability and really wanted to mold him into being a man and was enjoying watch him mature. Said he has made great strides since the beginning of the season and that making the play-offs really built up team morale and any petty disagreements that happened between players was forgotten once the Bulls series started. Chris also mentioned he could see a huge difference in how Lance carried himself last night at the celeb softball game and was very impressed. Like most of us have speculated, Larry has big plans for Lance, and Clark specifically said- as a Point Guard.

    -Both felt is wasn't "if" but "when" Frank is named head coach. Just a matter of time, and he will be surrounded with veteran assistants

    -Matt Howard REALLY wants to play for the P's but understands it's probably not in the cards.

    -Of the FA's on our roster they felt that Foster will almost for sure be back next year. Clark thought a team may over-pay for Josh, but he def. wants to stay a Pacer. Didn't speculate on Dun, and said obviously TJ and Solomon are gone.

    -Clark raved about George but then expressed the importance that he couldn't quite yet give you 20+ pts a night yet, thus the need for another scorer to help Danny.

    -Also mentioned that Chandler was someone the P's have targeted in the past and he is a UFA after this season and we may go after him.

    That's what I can remember so far. Alot of it just verified things we already thought/knew but it was nice hear it coming straight from someone in the organization.

    -J

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    I'll never, ever, ever understand why they are trying to shoe horn Lance in as a point guard.

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    Also, we won't be able to justify spending on Chandler unless we are trading Roy.

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    Wow thanks for that info!

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    I'll never, ever, ever understand why they are trying to shoe horn Lance in as a point guard.
    Probably just matchups.

    At SG, he's a tad undersized and isn't a great elevator.

    At PG, he's bigger and stronger than probably any PG he may face outside of Tyreke Evans.

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    I'll never, ever, ever understand why they are trying to shoe horn Lance in as a point guard.
    I think he would be DRose-esque as a PG.

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    great thread. thanks.

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    I think he would be DRose-esque as a PG.
    Does that style of PG win a championship in the NBA? I think the answer is no.

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    Probably just matchups.

    At SG, he's a tad undersized and isn't a great elevator.

    At PG, he's bigger and stronger than probably any PG he may face outside of Tyreke Evans.

    I agree with you...but isn't d-wade a 6'3 - 6'4 shooting guard? there alot of good shooting guards who are smaller than Lances 6'5.

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    I'll never, ever, ever understand why they are trying to shoe horn Lance in as a point guard.
    Well I don't think you can say with any certainty that he can't play the position. Infact everything I've seen of him suggests that he is a very willing passer, where as DC is not.
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    I agree with you...but isn't d-wade a 6'3 - 6'4 shooting guard? there alot of good shooting guards who are smaller than Lances 6'5.
    Have you seen Wade elevate though? The other game, he blocked Tyson Chandler at the rim. Stephenson isn't a great elevator, he can dunk, but Wade makes up for his height with the ability to elevate.

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    I think he would be DRose-esque as a PG.
    Maybe in that they're both scoring PG's, but other than that, I don't think they are that similar. Rose is a better elevator and is much, much quicker with the ability to stop on a dime. Stephenson's more like a poor man's Tyreke Evans if he pans out.

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    Does that style of PG win a championship in the NBA? I think the answer is no.
    Most likely not, but I don't think it is impossible, nor do I think Lance will ever be leading this team into the playoffs.

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    Lance has more natural point guard instincts amnd talents than anyone else we have on the Pacers.

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    Does that style of PG win a championship in the NBA? I think the answer is no.

    Maybe they haven't, but it isn't the point guards fault.

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    Maybe in that they're both scoring PG's, but other than that, I don't think they are that similar. Rose is a better elevator and is much, much quicker with the ability to stop on a dime. Stephenson's more like a poor man's Tyreke Evans if he pans out.
    That is all I meant. He can score, and probably will do so more than set people up, and can have some good assists once in a while.

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    Does that style of PG win a championship in the NBA? I think the answer is no.
    No, but we we are seeing with the NBA's final four is that the point guard position needs size and strength this day and age. Westbrook is long and strong, Kidd is big and strong, and I wont' even go into Miami they don't even utilize a point guard in the traditional sense, it makes you wonder why they bothered to sign Bibby whose shot has been broken for several years. Chalmer's is just lucky he can hit jumper.

    But it is interesting that these super athletic PG's did not make the finals. But its obvious you need some size at the position to make it deep in the playoffs. Lance has size, Bird already said Lance doesn't need to get stronger. I think next year you will see Lance challenging DC for the starting position.
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    Lance has more natural point guard instincts amnd talents than anyone else we have on the Pacers.
    Why has he never played point guard at any level of basketball then (until now, that is)?

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    Why has he never played point guard at any level of basketball then (until now, that is)?

    Because of his size.

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    Have you seen Wade elevate though? The other game, he blocked Tyson Chandler at the rim. Stephenson isn't a great elevator, he can dunk, but Wade makes up for his height with the ability to elevate.



    Maybe in that they're both scoring PG's, but other than that, I don't think they are that similar. Rose is a better elevator and is much, much quicker with the ability to stop on a dime. Stephenson's more like a poor man's Tyreke Evans if he pans out.

    all i know is anyone who can dunk like this can elevate in my books..

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    Why has he never played point guard at any level of basketball then (until now, that is)?
    Because apparently Bird likes his point guards to be scorers first and passers second, and he prefers them to be big?

    Like you, I don't get why Bird wants to turn an undersized 2 with what appears to be very little natural court vision into a point guard, especially with no experience at the position at any other time prior to his coming to the Pacers.

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    all i know is anyone who can dunk like this can elevate in my books..
    There's also a picture of Jeff Foster looking like he's going to dunk over Corey Maggette.

    The point is, from the times I've seen him play this season, he looks more like a below the rim player who uses his big frame and strength to out position players around the rim (that's not a slam). I remember seeing him get blocked on a few occasions around the rim on layups too because he didn't exactly "throw it down".

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    Because of his size.
    That doesn't make any sense. If he had the skills someone would have played him there by now, college, high school, or AAU, someone would have done it. It's not like he's 6'8" or something.

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    If anyone wants to call in to ask Roy a question, the phone number is ..


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    I'd love Tyson Chandler.

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    That doesn't make any sense. If he had the skills someone would have played him there by now, college, high school, or AAU, someone would have done it. It's not like he's 6'8" or something.
    What's funnier is that coaches have TRIED to play him at the point position, at every level of play..and it failed. But I'm sure he can play it at the highest level of competition. I mean, if you can't play the point position in AAU, Highschool, or College...the NBA should be a piece of cake.

    We aren't even putting him in a position where he can succeed. Although, I think he's staying in Indy for the summer (sure seems like it) which is a good for the team.
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