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    I'm definitely not one of those types who wants the Pacers to draft the home state guy, so don't read into this as a suggestion we draft him. Really just wondering given the finish of today's game and seeing Howard close it out with an offensive rebound put back, would his game translate to the NBA sort of in the same mold as Jeff Foster? e.g. Great on the offensive glass, high motor/effort, good anticipation where to be on the floor, etc.

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    Default Re: Pro Potential of Matt Howard: Is he Foster 2.0?

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    Default Re: Pro Potential of Matt Howard: Is he Foster 2.0?

    Are you joking? Foster and Howard have nothing in common.

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    Default Re: Pro Potential of Matt Howard: Is he Foster 2.0?

    Too small, too unathletic, not half the rebounder Foster was in college.

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    Default Re: Pro Potential of Matt Howard: Is he Foster 2.0?

    ....and ten times the offensive player.

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    Default Re: Pro Potential of Matt Howard: Is he Foster 2.0?

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    Are you joking? Foster and Howard have nothing in common.
    Thank you.

    Jeff Foster averaged like 13 rebounds a game in college. Today's game notwithstanding, Matt Howard is way too soft on the boards.
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    Thank you.

    Jeff Foster averaged like 13 rebounds a game in college. Today's game notwithstanding, Matt Howard is way too soft on the boards.
    Today's game notwithstanding? He only had 5 rebounds in 33 minutes of play today anyway. Plus he's a foul machine.

    This thread wins the over-reaction of the year award and that's truly saying something. It was made due to one play at the very end of the game which was more due to Old Dominion's terrible weak side box out than anything Howard did. Andrew Smith actually was the one who used his height to go over people while he was boxed out and keep the ball alive. Howard had it land in his lap and then just had to make an easy layup. 90% of PD could have gotten that board and put it back in.

    Honestly, I don't know how anyone could ever watch Matt Howard play and think "There's an NBA player"

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    Default Re: Pro Potential of Matt Howard: Is he Foster 2.0?

    While he might not average the same amount of rebounds, "soft" isn't anywhere near an accurate description of Howard.

    I'm not saying he will be Foster, hell I don't even think he is anywhere near NBA talent, but "soft" he is not. The guy is a bruiser through-and-through.

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    Default Re: Pro Potential of Matt Howard: Is he Foster 2.0?

    Yeah, he's not soft. He's just a terrible rebounder.

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    Today's game notwithstanding? He only had 5 rebounds in 33 minutes of play today anyway. Plus he's a foul machine.

    This thread wins the over-reaction of the year award and that's truly saying something. It was made due to one play at the very end of the game which was more due to Old Dominion's terrible weak side box out than anything Howard did. Andrew Smith actually was the one who used his height to go over people while he was boxed out and keep the ball alive. Howard had it land in his lap and then just had to make an easy layup. 90% of PD could have gotten that board and put it back in.

    Honestly, I don't know how anyone could ever watch Matt Howard play and think "There's an NBA player"
    you never know what the scouts like. i thought the same about patrick ewing jr., and even he was drafted. howard>patrick ewing jr.

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    Honestly, I don't know how anyone could ever watch Matt Howard play and think "There's an NBA player"
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    ....and ten times the offensive player.
    Ten times nothing is... wait, let me check... *punches away at the old calculator* ......

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    ....and ten times the offensive player.
    Foster averaged 14 and 11 as a senior at Texas State.

    Howard averaged 17 and 8 this season. With Hayward there last year, he only managed 11 per game.

    Howard isn't offensively superior to Foster. He's not defensively superior to Foster. He's not superior as a rebounder. He's not superior atheltically. He's not bigger than Foster.

    They aren't even close to the same player. Getting a wide open rebound that frankly it would have been embarrassing for him not to get, does not make him Jeff Foster.
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    you never know what the scouts like. i thought the same about patrick ewing jr., and even he was drafted. howard>patrick ewing jr.
    Patrick Ewing Jr. had 2 things going for him. 1.) He was actually athletic. 2.) His name is Patrick Ewing Jr.

    Matt Howard might be a better college player than Ewing Jr.

    Also, Ewing Jr's number at G-Town were hamstringed by playing for Georgetown.
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    Foster averaged 14 and 11 as a senior at Texas State.

    Howard averaged 17 and 8 this season. With Hayward there last year, he only managed 11 per game.

    Howard isn't offensively superior to Foster. He's not defensively superior to Foster. He's not superior as a rebounder. He's not superior atheltically. He's not bigger than Foster.

    They aren't even close to the same player. Getting a wide open rebound that frankly it would have been embarrassing for him not to get, does not make him Jeff Foster.
    trader joe,

    did you ever watch Foster play in college? if the answer is "no" than you really are in no postition to compare Foster in college to Howard in college. i could probably reason that foster was better, simply because he was drafted in the first round. Jeff's stats were better, but stats don't always tell the whole story. but you really have no right to jump on another poster just for suggesting that Howard could be like Jeff.

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    trader joe,

    did you ever watch Foster play in college? if the answer is "no" than you really are in no postition to compare Foster in college to Howard in college. i could probably reason that foster was better, simply because he was drafted in the first round. Jeff's stats were better, but stats don't always tell the whole story. but you really have no right to jump on another poster just for suggesting that Howard could be like Jeff.
    They absolutely have nothing in common. Nothing. The only reason this thread was made was because Howard got an extremely easy offensive rebound today with no one blocking out. There's no other reason to think they are even remotely similar players. Just because I never saw Foster in college does not mean I cannot compare them. Just for starters Foster had about 3 inches at least in height on Howard.

    Plus the comparison is, can Howard be like Foster in the NBA, not is Howard as good as Foster was in college. So seeing Foster in college is actually completely irrelevant. However, the stats do support that Jeff was also the superior college player.
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    Default Re: Pro Potential of Matt Howard: Is he Foster 2.0?

    I've heard some pretty good Foster insults in my day, but comparing Matt Howard to him is up there.

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    Default Re: Pro Potential of Matt Howard: Is he Foster 2.0?

    Not that I think Howard will be in the NBA, but if Brian Cardinal has eeked out a career in the League anything is possible. My guess is that he will play some summer league and then play a couple years overseas before deciding to go pro in something else.

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    Cardinal could shoot the 3. And actually could play some small forward.

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    Default Re: Pro Potential of Matt Howard: Is he Foster 2.0?

    howard does have a chance to make the NBA. He made a name for himself at Butler, and all the scouts know about him. will he be drafted, probably not. my point is that you never know what the scouts are looking for. back in 2002Oklahoma had a player named Mcgee. He lead them to the final 4, in which they played against IU. Mcgee ate up Jared Jefferies in that game. However the following summer, Jeffries was a lottery pick, and Mcgee went undrafted, and i haven't heard about him since.

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    Maybe Nick Collison 2.0??

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    poor mans Brian Cardinal 2.0
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    Summer League fodder 2.0

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    Cardinal could shoot the 3. And actually could play some small forward.
    Howard can shoot the three too.

    As for the Foster comparison, no I don't see it. In his early years, Foster was quicker and more athletic than Howard. However, Howard is a superior offensive player. Whether Howard makes it remains to be seen, but I do know that he's a player that I'd love to have on my summer league team and in camp because he'll work his tail off and is a winner.

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    before today, I never heard of Matt Howard.

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