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    The Minnesota Timberwolves hold the highest draft pick in the team's history, selecting in the number two spot in the upcoming NBA draft. As is the luck of a franchise needing a bit of luck, they just missed out on the opportunity to draft in the number one slot, giving them even more options on draft night. However, with recent reports of Ricky Rubio finally ready to sign on the dotted line and join the team next year—if there is a season—it eases the pain of missing out on the top pick some and also helps aid in the decision making process.

    After all the discussions and waiting for Rubio the past two seasons, you can expect he will receive as many of the minutes as he can handle. The Timberwolves have already discussed options to bring in another veteran point guard along with Luke Ridnour to help mentor Rubio during his first season in the league. That is, someone who would understand they would not receive much playing time behind both Rubio and Ridnour. That is one of the many reasons why Jonny Flynn is out there in trade rumors and it is expected he played his last game with the Timberwolves already.

    This brings us back to the number two pick in the draft and what the Timberwolves should do with it.

    Recent reports state the Timberwolves are in discussion with the Toronto Raptors regarding a deal which would send Jonny Flynn and the number two pick to Toronto for guard DeMar DeRozan and the number five selection. While the Timberwolves should continue their due diligence to see if they are able to get more from their assets than only DeRozan, if this is the best they can do, they should think long and hard about it.

    Without question, the Timberwolves have a nice core of talented, young players. To name a few, Kevin Love, Michael Beasley, Wes Johnson and, apparently, Ricky Rubio. If they were able to add a player of DeRozan's athleticism and promise, it would be difficult to pass on it since he plays a position of need for the team. As a young player, he does have flaws in his game, such as his difficulty in shooting the three, but coming into his third year, he may be ready to completely break out.

    Receiving a significant jump in playing time in his second season, DeRozan was able to bring the additional boost in production. He is shaping into a flat-out scorer, despite his limitations shooting the ball. The Timberwolves are coming off a season in which both Kevin Love and Michael Beasley made great strides in their own respective third seasons, so it is more than possible to imagine the same happening for DeRozan in Minnesota knowing his work ethic.

    These recent reports also beg the question: what is the plan for the Timberwolves at the center position? Darko Milicic put up respectable numbers last year when properly focused and motivated, but the ability to project his production from game to game is nearly impossible. Nikola Pekovic showed progress throughout his rookie season and gave great effort, but still has a long ways to go in his development. While most teams in the NBA don't have a terribly imposing center dominating the ball, the Timberwolves can get away with adding big bodies to the mix, but do they really think Anthony Randolph can play a majority of his minutes at that position?

    Both the shooting guard and center positions are the glaring weaknesses for the Timberwolves, but with the players they already have on the perimeter it may make more sense to address the center position first. Some reports have the Timberwolves trading down in the draft to pick up Enes Kanter to play the position, while also picking up any of a number of unnamed veterans and unknown positions as well.

    This is why the DeRozan trade would make sense for the Timberwolves. If the trade goes down as currently discussed, the Timberwolves would be able to address both positions. DeRozan immediately takes over the shooting guard position and Minnesota could take a bit of a flyer on Kanter at the number five selection, adding to their center position. This could give the Timberwolves a hypothetical lineup that would look like this:

    PG – Rubio, Ridnour
    SG – DeRozan, Ellington, Webster
    SF – Beasley, Johnson, Hayward
    PF – Love, Tolliver, Pekovic
    C – Randolph, Kanter, Milicic

    Of course, there are many areas of flux in that rotation depending on how training camp would shake out and which players play their way into a starting spot or getting big minutes off the bench. However, as is well-known, draft days for the Minnesota Timberwolves are anything but ordinary. David Kahn may have something up his sleeve where he believes he is pulling one over on the rest of the league, but by moving on this trade - if it goes down as rumored - he could add more talent to his team. He would solidify roles more than they were last year as well, allowing the players a bit more comfort on the court.

    More deals may present themselves before the draft or on draft day, so the Timberwolves should continue to shop around. However, if this is the deal that occurs, it would not be the worst thing for Minnesota as they continue to attempt to rebuild
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    So...
    Toronto gets:
    #2 pick (Derrick Williams) + Johnny Flynn

    Minnesota gets:
    #5 pick (Kemba Walker?) + Demar Derozan

    Seems like Toronto gets the better end of the deal to me.
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    So...
    Toronto gets:
    #2 pick (Derrick Williams) + Johnny Flynn

    Minnesota gets:
    #5 pick (Kemba Walker?) + Demar Derozan

    Seems like Toronto gets the better end of the deal to me.
    I think Minny goes big with the 5th pick. Maybe Jonas or Kanter.

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    I think Minny goes big with the 5th pick. Maybe Jonas or Kanter.

    I think Biyombo would be the best pick. Fit perspective, he makes the most sense.
    Or Kahwi Leonard. They could move Love to 5, and play Beasley and Leonard together, with Leonard defending the best opposing 3 or 4.

    I don't love Kanter for Minnie. That seems like the Memphis frontline with less size, and Kanter hasn't really played for two years, it's a bit scary.

    Valanciunas does not seem a great fit either - defensive energy wise he'd be a great fit, but you'd prefer a shot blocker next to Love. And you'd want someone more ready, not another project. Besides, he and Love may kill each other fighting for rebounds.
    Also, the next obvious step for Valanciunas would be developing a solid jumper and pick and pop game, since he already has the range and he's good at pick and roll. I'm not sure Minnie would focus on that with him, they got plenty of it already, so he probably does not reach his potential there.

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    idk...DeRozan is gonna be a monster...seems like a pretty good deal for the Wolves. For the Raptors, HOPEFULLY Flynn works out for them.

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    Will Kanter be there at 5?

    I like Derozan. I also like Derrick Williams at 2.

    Would the T Wolves take BRush or D Jones and the 15 pick for Anthony Randolph and the 20? I'd do that. It think at 20 you can still get a quality player about equal to whats there at 15, from a Pacers standpoint, depending on how the draft plays out.

    Imagine Selby, Marshon Brooks, or Kenneth Faried AND Anthony Randolph for BRush and the #15.

    Minne gets their pick of the next group at 15 and BRush, while alleviating the crowd at PF.

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    Will Kanter be there at 5?

    I like Derozan. I also like Derrick Williams at 2.

    Would the T Wolves take BRush or D Jones and the 15 pick for Anthony Randolph and the 20? I'd do that. It think at 20 you can still get a quality player about equal to whats there at 15, from a Pacers standpoint, depending on how the draft plays out.

    Imagine Selby, Marshon Brooks, or Kenneth Faried AND Anthony Randolph for BRush and the #15.

    Minne gets their pick of the next group at 15 and BRush, while alleviating the crowd at PF.
    You never know. Some mocks have him droping to 6th but I think he goes before that. Wouldn't be the firts time someone droped in the draft a couple of spots.

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    You never know. Some mocks have him droping to 6th but I think he goes before that. Wouldn't be the firts time someone droped in the draft a couple of spots.
    Draftexpress guy, Givoney said on a podcast that he watched 4 prep games against D2 level competion types by Kanter. He said he didn't look very interested and didn't dominate like you'd expect, low energy, etc. Just 4 prep games, but still with the limited exposure teams have to him, who knows what matters. Givoney goes on to say he has NBA athleticism and good hands, so who knows.

    I haven't seen one thing on how his individual workouts are going. He looked big and strong and athletic enough at the combine, but its really hard to tell with big men watching the combine, at least for me.

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    Sigh....Minnesota looking like a real team on the move now. Pacers, seem stuck in neutral.
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    Sigh....Minnesota looking like a real team on the move now. Pacers, seem stuck in neutral.
    Because of rumors? Any time the Pacers are involved in rumors the deals never pan out, so I'm fine with things being quiet right now. When a team's business is out there in the rumor mill the deals seem to always fall through.
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    Sigh....Minnesota looking like a real team on the move now. Pacers, seem stuck in neutral.

    REAL TEAM?!?! And where is this real team moving...to a future of botched drafts and under-developed talent?

    Just because we aren't making moves in a weak draft does not mean we are stuck in neutral.

    Now the coaching situation....we are parked.

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    Sigh....Minnesota looking like a real team on the move now. Pacers, seem stuck in neutral.
    Wow, a David Kahn fan! Don't run into you guys very often.

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    If that trade went down, I would be on the phone in a millisecond with Toronto seeing if they would take the #15 plus Brandon Rush for Ed Davis. Rush would fill their SG spot after Toronto focuses on filling their needs at PG. With DeRozan gone, that leaves a large void on a team that could really use the defense and outside shooting. We bring in Ed Davis to play PF for us. He rebounds the ball well and blocks shots, without needing the ball in his hands to be effective.

    And I am a BRush fan. Probably his only supporter left. I want to keep him around past this year.

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    And I am a BRush fan. I want to keep him around past this year.

    Gone the sooner the better as far as I'm concerned.

    With no CBA in place after June 30, can the NBA still do drug testing w/o one in effect?

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    Gone the sooner the better as far as I'm concerned.

    With no CBA in place after June 30, can the NBA still do drug testing w/o one in effect?
    I am almost 100% sure they can't.

    As for the BRush thought, I think he will continue to improve and be a very good veteran presence somewhere even if it isn't here. To each their own.

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    Gone the sooner the better as far as I'm concerned.

    With no CBA in place after June 30, can the NBA still do drug testing w/o one in effect?
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    And I am a BRush fan. Probably his only supporter left. I want to keep him around past this year.

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    I am also a Brush fan. Not really becasue of his play, but because he is great on Twitter.

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    Sigh....Minnesota looking like a real team on the move now. Pacers, seem stuck in neutral.
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    Sigh....Minnesota looking like a real team on the move now. Pacers, seem stuck in neutral.
    You felt the need to say this in response to a trade that might or might not even happen? It's going to be a long summer for you, if that's all it takes.

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    Sigh....Minnesota looking like a real team on the move now. Pacers, seem stuck in neutral.
    What do you want the organization to do? Apologize for making the playoffs and giving us an entertaining first round series.

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    Sigh....Minnesota looking like a real team on the move now. Pacers, seem stuck in neutral.
    Yeah, if only we could have a front office like Minny's.
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    Yeah, if only we could have a front office like Minny's.
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    Sigh....Minnesota looking like a real team on the move now. Pacers, seem stuck in neutral.
    The offseason hasn't even gotten started good. Stuck in neutral??

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