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5/27/11: Scottie Pippen on "Mike and Mike in the Morning"

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  • #46
    Re: 5/27/11: Scottie Pippen on "Mike and Mike in the Morning"

    Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
    If you want to talk about a watered down period talk about the NBA from 2000 until now. Not 95 to 98. If anything the 90's was the most talented era of basketball, and had no watered down point. The talent may have been on the down side of their careers, but they were still highly talented. I would expect Rik Smits to be considered one of the best centers in the league if he played today in his prime.

    I couldn't agree more, the 90's simply had a lot more talent then we have today. Dominate centers in every division, real power forwards, and point guards that ran a team and actually passed.
    Pippen is entitled to his opinion and maybe he really believes what he's saying. This might be a case where he should keep it to himself. It would be one thing if Magic said something like that, but Pippen should have more respect for Jordan then that.
    If Jordan played in today's NBA he'd average 50 ppg if he wanted to.
    Lebron may get to Jordan's level on D, but he'll never be as good overall as Jordan.
    Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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    • #47
      Re: 5/27/11: Scottie Pippen on "Mike and Mike in the Morning"

      Originally posted by HickeyS2000 View Post
      Jordan lost and did everything in his power to get HIS team past his rivals. He held himself and his teammates accountable for that. James lost and joined the other team.
      You're kind of tweaking the narrative to make Jordan better than he is, and better than a single human can be. He didn't simply "will" himself to a championship, a lot of things happened that were out of his hands. Phil Jackson joined the team and a year later they won the championship. Scottie bloomed into one of the best all-around players in league history and Grant became a really solid big man. Are you attributing their increase in skill to Jordan "holding them accountable", rather than the natural development of players with great potential?

      Their management drafted players that eventually became a championship squad. LeBron's never did. It really is a simple as that, but for some reason people don't respond well to that logic.

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      • #48
        Re: 5/27/11: Scottie Pippen on "Mike and Mike in the Morning"

        lebron doesn't even have a title yet and there is no guarantee he will ever get one.

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        • #49
          Re: 5/27/11: Scottie Pippen on "Mike and Mike in the Morning"

          Jordan was better. The game as a whole was better when he played. The league is now water down and pussified. JMO
          "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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          • #50
            Re: 5/27/11: Scottie Pippen on "Mike and Mike in the Morning"

            The nostalgia is too nostalgic.
            You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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            • #51
              Re: 5/27/11: Scottie Pippen on "Mike and Mike in the Morning"

              I don't want to compare the two necessarily but seeing LeBron take on Paul Pierce and Derrick Rose, score at will, and keep that Heat offense humming in these playoffs has been something else.

              LeBron took over the game on both sides of the court in game 5. With about two minutes left, he decided that the Heat were going to win. As impressive as he was offensively, finding Bosh/Wade, hitting shots, he was smothering on defense. I never felt like Rose had a chance. It was like watching him dominate teenagers in high school again.

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              • #52
                Re: 5/27/11: Scottie Pippen on "Mike and Mike in the Morning"

                I can see what Scottie is saying. LeBron has all the tools to be better than Michael. He can do things that Michael physically couldn't and has freakish athleticism. And now that he has a team that is actually good, he has set himself up to have the success Jordan had.

                I also think that LeBron has finally developed the mental aspect that Jordan and Kobe have. He is clearly a better player this year. He seems mentally there. I think Pat Riley has something to do with that.

                I can see LeBron going down as the GOAT. He's not there yet of course, but his career is incomplete and its not like he is at a point where he is close to the end. When Jordan came along people didn't think he would be as good as Bird or Magic and same goes for any player who is this good. And then it happens, they do it. I don't see LeBron having something that is holding him back from getting there. So yes, LeBron can become better than Jordan.

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                • #53
                  Re: 5/27/11: Scottie Pippen on "Mike and Mike in the Morning"

                  At the age of 26 the man has been a multi mvp winner. He has taken teams with little talent to the finals. He can be the scoring champion any year he wants while still dishing out assists at a high rate. He rebounds the basketball like a power forward and can guard the arguably leagues fastest point guard. Oh yeah he is in the finals again.

                  I do not care for jordan or lebron. I think jordan was great, but lets not over exaggerate our memories of him. Everything Jordan did lebron is doing at a higher level.

                  The next mission for lebron is dominate the finals on several occasions and this will not be a conversation.

                  After all the radio shows doing dirk vs bird talk all week I am about tired of the vs talk. Players really shouldn't be compared unless they match up against each other.
                  Last edited by dohman; 05-28-2011, 09:11 AM.

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                  • #54
                    Re: 5/27/11: Scottie Pippen on "Mike and Mike in the Morning"

                    I think we need to see Lebron retire to get a better assessment on which is the greatest.

                    I will say tho, IMO, night in and night out MJ has the edge to this point.
                    MJ to this point, wanted it more. The ball and the wins. MJ seized the moment like no other.
                    MJ created for himself much better.
                    MJ had better stylish points.

                    Lebron is a physical freak of nature.
                    Lebron is a more dominant physical player to this point.

                    It will be interesting how Lebron physically holds up in the next few years. And how he can refine his game as he physically declines.

                    I don't think it's fair to judge Lebron on not having a Championship, He hasn't had a team nearly as good as MJ till this year. But, if he chokes in the Championship series against Dallas. We may have our answer sooner then I would anticipate.
                    Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                    • #55
                      Re: 5/27/11: Scottie Pippen on "Mike and Mike in the Morning"

                      Woo, To some of you speaking scoring title whenever Lebron wants it thing but he gets his teamates involved.

                      You don't think MJ did? I remember MJ having like 8 ast. per game one year.

                      MJ always got his teamates involved and he also had more steals then Lebron (I think). MJ was lke a 9 time all defensive team also (I think).

                      Been about 10 - 15 years, but hard to forget all he did.

                      I think some of you are getting AI confused with MJ? lol
                      Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                      • #56
                        Re: 5/27/11: Scottie Pippen on "Mike and Mike in the Morning"

                        Originally posted by quinnthology View Post
                        You're kind of tweaking the narrative to make Jordan better than he is, and better than a single human can be. He didn't simply "will" himself to a championship, a lot of things happened that were out of his hands. Phil Jackson joined the team and a year later they won the championship. Scottie bloomed into one of the best all-around players in league history and Grant became a really solid big man. Are you attributing their increase in skill to Jordan "holding them accountable", rather than the natural development of players with great potential?
                        Not sure how I am tweaking the narrative. Without Jordan being the perfectionist he was (as in, holding everyone accountable), there is no way the Bulls could have won all those championships. Sure, Jackson came and Pippen developed, and you have to have good people around you to win like that. This is true with every contending team. Would Pippen and everyone else reached their max potential without Jordan? IMHO no. Pippen would have had the best chance, but everyone else would have been average to under-average players on any other team. This does not include Rodman, as he was already a known commodity when he went there and had nothing to do with his progression with the Bulls.

                        Originally posted by quinnthology View Post
                        Their management drafted players that eventually became a championship squad. LeBron's never did. It really is a simple as that, but for some reason people don't respond well to that logic.
                        The reason people don't respond well to that logic is because it's the smaller part of the equation. Jordan was the bigger part.

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                        • #57
                          Re: 5/27/11: Scottie Pippen on "Mike and Mike in the Morning"

                          Originally posted by dohman View Post
                          Everything Jordan did lebron is doing at a higher level.
                          I know memories of NBA past fade with time but come on. This is ludicrous. Jordan = GOAT. LeBron isn't even the greatest of his generation so far.

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                          • #58
                            Re: 5/27/11: Scottie Pippen on "Mike and Mike in the Morning"

                            And for those of you that hold weight to what Scottie said, he and Jordan don't even get along. And how would Pippen try to push Jordan's buttons? Just like this.

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                            • #59
                              Re: 5/27/11: Scottie Pippen on "Mike and Mike in the Morning"

                              Originally posted by HickeyS2000 View Post
                              And for those of you that hold weight to what Scottie said, he and Jordan don't even get along.


                              This was 3 months ago. Michael Jordan doesn't display positive emotion for anyone.

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                              • #60
                                Re: 5/27/11: Scottie Pippen on "Mike and Mike in the Morning"

                                LeBron James has a BRONZE Olympic Medal while playing with all PROFESSIONAL players. Michael Jordan led the team in scoring the last time an all COLLEGE team won the GOLD at the Olympics.
                                LeBron was also almost left off of the 2008 Olympic team because of his immaturity. Jordan might have had gambling issues, but his desire to win, compete and become better have never been questioned. Also, I don't remember Jordan making the Bulls sign his buddies to their summer league team.
                                Like others have said, LeBron might have more talent and physical gifts. Jordan without question was the better professional and complete player.

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