Last edited by quinnthology; 05-27-2011 at 12:53 PM. Reason: added source
I hated Jordan but he was better. Lebron is about the closest thing I've seen but you can't dismiss Kobe either.
It's obvious that Lebron is the best player in the game right now. We can worry about his place in history when his career is over.
I said a few years ago that Lebron is a combination of Magic and Jordan. he has Jordan's athletic ability, but he has Magic's passing ability.
LeBron is more talented, I don't think most would disagree with that. The more he utilizes it, the more Scottie is correct.
Now that he has a mid-range game I do consider him up there with Jordan/Kobe. If he continues to succeed I would also say he is a better player. But right now it is still Jordan, with Kobe right behind him.
Could you imagine a Michael Jordan in the no-hand check era though?
I don't know about his coordination, if you include eye/hand, quickness laterally. Also, as far as size, I'm not sure his height/strength compared to Lebron, but I bet its not close.
Bolt is certainly amazing though.
If Lebron can be as clutch as MJ was and continue to win with consistency, I'd give him the nod. Until then, MJ still has it on him.
I just don't think Lebron is close to MJ.
Similar in the way he can dominate, but I don't see Jordan melting down in back-to-back ECF like Lebron did. MJ got the job done when it mattered, and Lebron was unable to do that until this season, and the addition of D-Wade in the backcourt really minimizes how much that impresses me.
I hated Jordan, but I don't think we can seriously compare the two based on the fact that Lebron was simply unable to be "the guy" and get a championship. And that awful 6/24 performance in an elimination game against a hated rival is tough to forget.
Most talented player? Probably. Greatest? Not yet...
Scottie is so inarticulate that he just has to throw stuff like this at the wall to see what sticks. I hate listening to him analyze the current players because I feel like he only has a really basic understanding of who the guys are and what they're good at.
Ask me back when he wins his 6th title.
The 1st and 10th show today has been a classic
And spreedom, those are pretty big words. I'd have to disagree that one of the greatest basketball players ever only has a "basic understanding" of what other basketball players are good at, whatever era it is. Especially considering he's still around the game constantly. I agree some ex-players are unreliable at in-depth analysis, but a straight statement concerning Michael, his teammate whose skills he saw hours a day for a decade, and LeBron, who I'm guessing he has seen play on TV and in person more than most people on this forum, has a lot of weight.
People tend to forget about it now, but there was a time when many thought that Jordan would NEVER win an NBA title. That he selfish and wasn't enough of a team player. That he was never going to get past the Pistons or Celts.
Of course things started working his way. They hired Phil Jackson and Horace Grant and Pippen stepped up their games. Jordan got help. Then the Celtics and Pistons (and also the Lakers I might add) got old and their windows closed. Jordan and the Bulls emerged from an Eastern conference that became older and weaker and they subsequently dominated.
MJ was great, but don't mistake him for a guy who walked on water. He didn't. He routinely got beat by better teams and then started winning rings when 1) he finally got help and 2) those teams that routinely beat him got old.
So he pretty much changed from being Jordan's ***** to LeBron's
As for Kobe no surprise he's been discredited most of his career that won't change
Yeah potential to be but he is a long way away though... he has so much more to accomplish in my eyes like someone said greatest talent wise yeah, but greatest Player we will have to weight and see....
Also it is hard to compare talent for a big and a SF sometimes... I will say that talent wise Dwight Howard is one of a kind for a big, I doubt we will see another with his size, athletcism and skill on offense and defense...
But one big thing that nees consideration is MJ dominated in an area where they allowed hand checking on the perimiter, and the defence was allowed to get away with much much more
MJ said in todays game he would average 50 points a game
Still for Pipper to say what he said holds a lot of weight
but hey what do I know, I still think Oscar Robertson was the best player to ever play the game
Call me when someone averages a tripple double for an entire season
Sittin on top of the world!
There's 2 aspects to a player's game:
1) Physical. You can rate a player on his physical assets and athletic ability. Until a few years ago, I could say with confidence that Jordan was the most physically athletic player in history. I can now say with confidence that he's been replaced by LeBron, physically. LeBron's physical athleticism is unprecedented in sports. You could easily see LeBron shift over to any other sport and still be a force, even a dominator.
2) Mental. This is where Jordan still has LeBron beat. Just watch Jordan. He may be 2nd to LeBron in athleticism, but the way he moved, the way he used momentum, angles, shifts to his advantage is just unmatched. He knew how to move in a way that he could beat 5 guys at once. He also had a KILLER instinct. The greatest ever.
And then there's just achievements. Jordan won 6 rings. LeBron has a long ways to go. But... Jordan, like someone else said, did not walk on water until he as 28 years old. It took him a good 6 years to get to the point that he did, and he had a ton of failures and shortcomings leading up until that, which is what most people forget. Jordan continually improved, which is how he became the greatest ever.
LeBron does that too. He's continually improved. This year he's playing some God-like basketball. We're witnessing something really special. Whether you like him or not, he's attained a very special level of play. It's going to be interesting to see what happens going forward.
So is LeBron the greatest ever? Not yet. But he certainly has a chance to be.
There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.
How easily you forget. Jordan is the best period. Everybody else is an also ran.