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    Vogel may be the frontrunner for the Pacers job, according to Bird, but he and his staff will not be running Thursday's workouts at Conseco.
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    I'd say nothing to it.

    Bird and his staff are the ones making these draft choices. I'd think it makes sense to let them run workouts.
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    Vogel doesn't even have a job right now. Neither does his staff. So why would any of them come in and work for free. I think Bird said last week he was not worried about it, "Its aint hard to run a work out"
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    I'm pretty sure they covered this in the last Bird presser. I remember Bird saying he could handle players running sprints, or some such.

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    As far as likeliness of Vogel being retained, I think there's nothing to it.

    I do think it strange that Bird is willing to go through the draft without a coach in place. Bird might be the one making the decision, but the coach's input is kind of important isn't it?

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    Vogel doesn't even have a job right now. Neither does his staff. So why would any of them come in and work for free. I think Bird said last week he was not worried about it, "Its aint hard to run a work out"
    Vogel and the rest of the coaches are under contract until June 30th and are being paid by the Pacers.

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    Bird said last wk he wasn't sure if he wanted the staff, who are under contract until June 30, to run the workouts w the current situation

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    I think it is significant. Yes the coaches should run the workouts, I think this at the very least indicates that Bird is seriously looking at other candidates and not just doing his "due diligence".
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    Does anybody else remember Mel Daniels always running the workouts, or am I making that up? I kind of want to say that there's precedent for the coaches watching but not participating.
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    I think it is significant. Yes the coaches should run the workouts, I think this at the very leadt indicates that Boird is seriously looking at other condidates and not just doing his due diligence.
    JOB never ran the workouts if he did it is really slipping my mind.

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    Vogel doesn't even have a job right now. Neither does his staff. So why would any of them come in and work for free. I think Bird said last week he was not worried about it, "Its aint hard to run a work out"
    Is this accurate? Because I thought I had either read or heard that the coaches' contracts don't actually run out until the end of the NBA year (June 30th).

    Anyway, all I take from this is that it's not 100% Frank is coming back, even if it's likely 51+%.

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    I do think it strange that Bird is willing to go through the draft without a coach in place. Bird might be the one making the decision, but the coach's input is kind of important isn't it?
    It's not strange at all. They didn't bring in players that fit in O'Briens system- they brought in Larry Bird Players. Similarly, if they continue to ignore the coach and bring in Larry Bird players I will be very disappointed. But it's not out of the norm for what we've seen in the past 4-5 years.

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    JOB never ran the workouts if he did it is really slipping my mind.

    I suppose it depends on what we mean by "ran the workouts"

    At the very least the coaching staff that is going to be here next season should be in the gym to observe. I'm sure JOB was at least watching. Now whether the head coach actually is on the floor "coaching" like you would see in training camp. Maybe not.

    What does it tell us that Bird doesn't seem to have any urgency in hiring a new coach. It seems as though he was slow to meet with Simon, and then he said last week that they hadn't started interviewing, now we hear the coaching search is on hold because of the draft and working out players.

    Could it mean that the guy he wants is currently an assistant on an NBA team that is still playing and who is Rick Carlisle's assistant.
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    I suppose it depends on what we mean by "ran the workouts"

    At the very least the coaching staff that is going to be here next season should be in the gym to observe. I'm sure JOB was at least watching. Now whether the head coach actually is on the floor "coaching" like you would see in training camp. Maybe not.

    What does it tell us that Bird doesn't seem to have any urgency in hiring a new coach. It seems as though he was slow to meet with Simon, and then he said last week that they hadn't started interviewing, now we hire the coaching search is on hold because of the draft and working out players.

    Could it mean that the guy he wants is currently an assitant on an NBA team that is still playing and who is Rick Carlisle's assistant.
    of course they should be in the gym watching like they do in summer league but i think you let someone eles actually run the workouts.

    To the last part i hope Bird does his job and interviews all the possible people Casey is a very good coach to meat least very good defensive mind..

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    Yeah, this does tend to suggest to me we're waiting on Dwane Casey. If not to hire, then definitely to interview before deciding on anyone else.

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    Yeah, this does tend to suggest to me we're waiting on Dwane Casey. If not to hire, then definitely to interview before deciding on anyone else.

    If the mavs win tonight they will have at least 5 days (Tuesday) before the NBA Finals start, so that will give Casey plenty of time to interview.

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    Does waiting to choose Vogel hinder Frank's search for good assistants? Won't they get hired up by others?
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    If the mavs win tonight they will have at least 5 days (Tuesday) before the NBA Finals start, so that will give Casey plenty of time to interview.
    Makes sense, but didn't the Bulls have to wait until after the NBA Finals to talk to Tom Thibodeau? Did the Celtics not have a break between the ECF and the Finals? (I don't recall)

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    Does waiting to choose Vogel hinder Frank's search for good assistants? Won't they get hired up by others?
    Depends on who he wants.

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    Makes sense, but didn't the Bulls have to wait until after the NBA Finals to talk to Tom Thibodeau? Did the Celtics not have a break between the ECF and the Finals? (I don't recall)
    Thibodeau's hiring was reported between Game 1 and Game 2 of the Finals.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,4023353.story

    Though no official announcement will come until after Thibodeau serves as associate head coach for the Celtics in the NBA Finals, multiple sources confirmed the longtime assistant accepted a three-year deal worth roughly $6.5 million.
    It was officially announced around June 23rd.

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    Thibodeau's hiring was reported between Game 1 and Game 2 of the Finals.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,4023353.story



    It was officially announced around June 23rd.
    Looks like he was interviewed on short notice right before the Finals started.

    http://archive.chicagobreakingsports...thibodeau.html

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    Wasnt Vogel supposed to be the first interview?

    I believe Frank has not been interviewed, so that means no one has been interviewed?

    Waht are the waiting for? Unless Casey is the likely choice
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    Maybe he wants to do all of the interviews around the same time frame.

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    Maybe he wants to do all of the interviews around the same time frame.
    Who knows, I mean Bird has a unique "process" in getting things done

    Bottom line is I think we end up with a good coach

    The thing I find interesting is the Jim O'Brien hire came out of nowhere

    speaking of Obie, wonder where he ends up next year
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    speaking of Obie, wonder where he ends up next year
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    Could it mean that the guy he wants is currently an assistant on an NBA team that is still playing and who is Rick Carlisle's assistant.
    I wouldn't be surprised at all if that is the case. I wouldn't mind if they hired Casey or if they stayed with Vogel now that Mike Brown is no longer a possibility. No matter who they hire, I hope they can bring in Chuck Person or Mike Woodson to be an assistant coach.

    I just don't see Rick Adelman being interested in coaching the Pacers.
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    Larry is not coming back, he didn't have a meeting with Orlando for not reason, yeah he is coming back to the NBA but not to the Pacers, the notion that he is a taking a year off and then come back is absurd.
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