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    Report: Cavaliers try to offer No. 4 pick for Rudy Gay
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    You’re going to hear a lot of teams trying to move out of or trade high picks this year — there is not much in this draft to make you want to stay up high.

    But this new rumor via a tweet from the very credible Jonathan Givony of Draft Express is laughable:

    Heard Cleveland offered Memphis their #4 pick in exchange for Rudy Gay (w/help of their trade exception). Memphis rejected
    If I were Memphis I would rejected Cleveland’s No. 1 overall for Gay, let alone the No. 4.

    Minnesota also is reportedly looking to move the No. 2 pick, and I bet the Jazz would listen to offers if you want the No. 3. This is a draft where there are real questions about the guys at the top, so expect a lot of trade rumors of teams looking to get out. But they are not going to get top value, like Gay. Not in this draft.

    Not that Memphis wouldn’t consider moving the max deal they gave Gay last summer, but it’s going to take a lot better offer than a pick in this drat to do it.

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    Default Re: Report: Cavs try to offer #4 pick for Rudy Gay

    Not only would Gay be a ton of value for the number 4 pick in this draft, but I'm pretty sure Memphis doesn't want another youngster.

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    Default Re: Report: Cavs try to offer #4 pick for Rudy Gay

    This is a terrible deal.

    I still really want Rudy though and would give up Danny for him which is probably the best for the Grizzlies and what they can get to keep their chemistry going and probably improve it in Danny who doesn't always need the ball in his hands to be effective on the offensive end.

    We need a player like Rudy Gay who brings the leadership and ability to get things done with the ball in his hands and his consistent defense.

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    Default Re: Report: Cavs try to offer #4 pick for Rudy Gay

    That would be awful for Memphis.

    The #4 pick doesn't have the value in this draft like it does in most. Rudy is far superior to that.

    If Memphis really wanted to shed Rudy's salary, they could get a far better player than anyone they could get at #4.

    Nice try, Cleveland.
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    Default Re: Report: Cavs try to offer #4 pick for Rudy Gay

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    This is a terrible deal.

    I still really want Rudy though and would give up Danny for him which is probably the best for the Grizzlies and what they can get to keep their chemistry going and probably improve it in Danny who doesn't always need the ball in his hands to be effective on the offensive end.

    We need a player like Rudy Gay who brings the leadership and ability to get things done with the ball in his hands and his consistent defense.

    It actually probably helps both teams. Granger is the outside shooter that Memphis doesn't have.

    Rudy Gay is the iso "get to the rim" guy that we can never seem to find.

    Win/Win


    (Though that Minnesota deal is better IMHO)

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    Default Re: Report: Cavs try to offer #4 pick for Rudy Gay

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    It actually probably helps both teams. Granger is the outside shooter that Memphis doesn't have.

    Rudy Gay is the iso "get to the rim" guy that we can never seem to find.

    Win/Win


    (Though that Minnesota deal is better IMHO)
    That's exactly what I've been thinking.

    Memphis can really use Danny to get their team better than we do and vise versa.

    Memphis, especially seen in the playoffs, has a ton of players like ZBo who need the ball in their hands to get things done and to help the team win. I feel like Danny, who doesn't have much of the leadership qualities you're looking for would be the perfect offensive fit there.

    As for us, we need that type of player like Rudy who can create pretty well for himself and brings the leadership that we do not have.

    I like a Danny Granger for Rudy Gay trade a lot better thab the Minnesota trade however. I want a proven leader. One who clearly can play a huge role for us and bring the types of things we need.

    So, if we're trading Danny, I'd like one solid player in return. I hope Bird considers Rudy and/or EJ. Those are who I'd like to have leading us along with a solid starting PF.

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    Shedding an average #2 scorer like Rudy Gay's massive, first-option-level contract while picking up a #4 pick isn't so offensive an offer as to be labeled "laughable." I do think Memphis was right in rejecting it, though. If they're not concerned with finances and want to win now, keeping Gay around as a Robin to Randolph's Batman is the right choice.

    If Irving or Derrick Williams were on the table, you ditch Gay and don't look back, but obviously neither will be available at #4.

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    Default Re: Report: Cavs try to offer #4 pick for Rudy Gay

    The ONLY reason to trade Gay for Granger is to open your window a little more to win because Gay is younger. Otherwise you aren't really increasing our skill level that much doing the trade.

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    I actually don't see any holes in Memphis as long a Zbo stays the course. They have a really nice team. They have 4 good wings in Gay, Tony Allen, Battier, Mayo, with Sam Young & Xavier Henry too. I like Conley and Vasquez at Point. Gasol, Zbo, and D Arthur are very good. They need a 4th big, somebody like Jeff Foster or Reggie Evans is all they need or maybe JMac on the cheap would work too.

    Basically I'd do everything to give this exact group 3 years to see what happens. Even pay the luxury tax to do it.

    Put it this way, if this was the Pacers team and they had to let someone go because the ownership wouldn't pay over the tax, I'd be ticked. To me, this group has everything you need to win it all.

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    How about Grange, Foster/McBob, #15 for Gay and Mayo? Salaries dont' need to match for us.
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    How about Grange, Foster/McBob, #15 for Gay and Mayo? Salaries dont' need to match for us.

    Foster/McBob are both free agents

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    Foster/McBob are both free agents
    that's how we'll trick the grizzlies!

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    that's how we'll trick the grizzlies!

    Maybe we can throw in Detlef Schrempf to sweeten the deal?

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    Default Re: Report: Cavs try to offer #4 pick for Rudy Gay

    HA! If you don't have pick 1 or 2, I'm not giving you squat for it.

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    Shedding an average #2 scorer like Rudy Gay's massive, first-option-level contract while picking up a #4 pick isn't so offensive an offer as to be labeled "laughable." I do think Memphis was right in rejecting it, though. If they're not concerned with finances and want to win now, keeping Gay around as a Robin to Randolph's Batman is the right choice.

    If Irving or Derrick Williams were on the table, you ditch Gay and don't look back, but obviously neither will be available at #4.
    It is when the best player you'll be able to grab with the #4 pick would probably be drafted no higher than 10th (at best) in any other draft.
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    Default Re: Report: Cavs try to offer #4 pick for Rudy Gay

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    Foster/McBob are both free agents
    There is something called sign and trade.

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    There is something called sign and trade.
    Not when you want to include multiple players, unless you're talking about making two, separate, simultaneous trades with the same team.

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    Default Re: Report: Cavs try to offer #4 pick for Rudy Gay

    I assumed the "/" meant either one, considering the sentence structure.

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    I assumed the "/" meant either one, considering the sentence structure.
    It does, but he's quotiong graphic-er, who proposed trading either one of them WITH Granger and our #15 for Gay and Mayo, so either way it's a multi-player trade.

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    It does, but he's quotiong graphic-er, who proposed trading either one of them WITH Granger and our #15 for Gay and Mayo, so either way it's a multi-player trade.
    I understand this. But he also said for Gay and Mayo. You could have two seperate packages, like McBob/Foster for Mayo and then Granger plus 15th pick for Gay.

    When you see S&T deals involving multiple players, they're reported as single deals, eventhough they're techinically two.
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    There is something called sign and trade.

    Why sign and trade for guys who will be making league minimum?

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    Why sign and trade for guys who will be making league minimum?
    Because they think the deal benefits their team.

    EDIT: I'm not going to argue whether or not Memphis would accept the trade as proposed. I'm merely saying that McRobert's, or Jeff's, status as a Pacer player doesn't have prevent that trade(s) from going through.
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    I understand this. But he also said for Gay and Mayo. You could have two seperate packages, like McBob/Foster for Mayo and then Granger plus 15th pick for Gay.
    Didn't I already acknowledge this?

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    Because they think the deal benefits their team.

    EDIT: I'm not going to argue whether or not Memphis would accept the trade as proposed. I'm merely saying that McRobert's, or Jeff's, status as a Pacer player doesn't have prevent that trade(s) from going through.

    If Memphis wants either guy, they will just extend a league minimum guaranteed contract to procure their services.

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    Why sign and trade for guys who will be making league minimum?
    League minimum? I heard from a well placed source that McBob is going to sign for the MLE!

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