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    Selby with our 16th pick and hoping we get Tyler late 1st round or 2nd round with another pick!

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    Default Re: Potential steals in the draft -> Jeremy Tyler and Josh Selby

    Selby I wouldn't mind taking the risk on, but Tyler I have no desire to see in a Pacers uniform.
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    Default Re: Potential steals in the draft -> Jeremy Tyler and Josh Selby

    wouldn't touch either with the 15th pick... neither played college basketball this season, lol j/p

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    Default Re: Potential steals in the draft -> Jeremy Tyler and Josh Selby

    I'd think Selby would absolutely be worth a flier. This is the type of guy that astute Front offices would buy a late 1st rounder to snatch up.

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    I'd think Selby would absolutely be worth a flier. This is the type of guy that astute Front offices would buy a late 1st rounder to snatch up.
    Exactly.

    Some people might not have the best of memories, so let me refresh those.

    The top ranked point guard in the 2010 recruiting class was not Kyrie Irving, and it wasn't Brandon Knight. It was Josh Selby. Not only was he the #1 ranked point guard, he was the #1 ranked player overall. The kid is super talented, but got suspended for 9 games for accepting $5,700 in benefits as a HS senior, and then suffered an unfortunate injury, which doesn't appear to be anything career altering, but ended up making him miss more time as a freshman.

    Chad Ford is very high on Selby and says that the Knicks have been watching him for a while. He says that Selby is looking very good in workouts and whichever teams rolls the dice on him could have themselves a heck of a player.

    I wouldn't be at all opposed to the Pacers drafting him. If there isn't a clearly better player available at 15, then I would take the risk.
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    i would pass on Selby. He was pimped really high coming out of HS, and was supposed to be one of the top freshman in the nation. For whatever reason, he had a poor season, and didn't live up to the expectations. It scares me that he didn't return back to Kansas for his Sophomore season, almost that he knows that he isn't as good as advertised, and he is still riding his HS success to get drafted. Like he lacks confidence to improve his draft stock playing another year of college ball. Seems like a desperate strategy to me.

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    i would pass on Selby. He was pimped really high coming out of HS, and was supposed to be one of the top freshman in the nation. For whatever reason, he had a poor season, and didn't live up to the expectations. It scares me that he didn't return back to Kansas for his Sophomore season, almost that he knows that he isn't as good as advertised, and he is still riding his HS success to get drafted. Like he lacks confidence to improve his draft stock playing another year of college ball. Seems like a desperate strategy to me.
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    He was injured
    true, but so was Irving.

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    i would pass on Selby. He was pimped really high coming out of HS, and was supposed to be one of the top freshman in the nation. For whatever reason, he had a poor season, and didn't live up to the expectations. It scares me that he didn't return back to Kansas for his Sophomore season, almost that he knows that he isn't as good as advertised, and he is still riding his HS success to get drafted. Like he lacks confidence to improve his draft stock playing another year of college ball. Seems like a desperate strategy to me.
    Or it sounds like he's just ready to get into the NBA, like 83% of all other college players during non-impending lockout years.
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    Default Re: Potential steals in the draft -> Jeremy Tyler and Josh Selby

    For whatever reason, he had a poor season
    Much like Tyler's rookie NBA season...I mean for "whatever" reason.

    For whatever reason Blake Griffin also sucked his rookie year, I'd pass on him too.


    Sheesh. At least argue the actual point. Mosley put out a very solid case for him, but didn't hide from the facts. You think the injury changed his game, you question his character, okay.

    But early in the season he looked modestly solid for Kansas. I recall at least one game he came up big for them late.

    If teams forgot about him because of how his season went then tough s*** for them. There is no one else the Pacers are getting with their pick in that potential talent range.

    The Pacers, barring a trade and a bunch of luck, are NOT GETTING BETTER WITH THIS DRAFT.

    It's just not a good summer for improvement possibilities in general, FA, trades (due to CBA) and draft. I'll take a .500 season as we wait for next summer or at least the next trade deadline and in the meantime if you have Selby making good on the promise he showed very recently so much the better.

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    Default Re: Potential steals in the draft -> Jeremy Tyler and Josh Selby

    I would not be at all opposed to getting Selby.

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    If the Pacers draft Selby I sure hope they cut Lance loose.

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    Much like Tyler's rookie NBA season...I mean for "whatever" reason.

    For whatever reason Blake Griffin also sucked his rookie year, I'd pass on him too.


    Sheesh. At least argue the actual point. Mosley put out a very solid case for him, but didn't hide from the facts. You think the injury changed his game, you question his character, okay.

    But early in the season he looked modestly solid for Kansas. I recall at least one game he came up big for them late.

    If teams forgot about him because of how his season went then tough s*** for them. There is no one else the Pacers are getting with their pick in that potential talent range.

    The Pacers, barring a trade and a bunch of luck, are NOT GETTING BETTER WITH THIS DRAFT.

    It's just not a good summer for improvement possibilities in general, FA, trades (due to CBA) and draft. I'll take a .500 season as we wait for next summer or at least the next trade deadline and in the meantime if you have Selby making good on the promise he showed very recently so much the better.
    Exactly my point. We should consider this draft the perfect opportunity to draft on potential alone. Selby's ceiling is just as high as anyone else in this draft and his basement isn't that bad either. I would say, at worst, he could replace AJ Price and at best would give the team a potentially dynamic player.
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    Default Re: Potential steals in the draft -> Jeremy Tyler and Josh Selby

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    The top ranked point guard in the 2010 recruiting class was not Kyrie Irving, and it wasn't Brandon Knight. It was Josh Selby. Not only was he the #1 ranked point guard, he was the #1 ranked player overall. The kid is super talented, but got suspended for 9 games for accepting $5,700 in benefits as a HS senior, and then suffered an unfortunate injury, which doesn't appear to be anything career altering, but ended up making him miss more time as a freshman.

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    Irving was the number 1 player on scout. Selby was number 1 on rivals.

    Selby just never got it at Kansas. He might be worth a flyer in the late 1st, but he was a huge disappointment. The kid has talent, for a brief time Indiana was in his top 3 or 4 schools before he picked Kansas and decommitted from Tennessee IIRC, so I looked at a lot of his tape. He's definitely got the potential to be a Russell Westbrook type guy, but there's no way around the fact that he completely flamed out at Kansas, even when he was healthy he was struggling.
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    Pass on Jeremy Tyler

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    scotty hopson outta tennessee could be a steal in the 2nd round.

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    wouldn't touch either with the 15th pick... neither played college basketball this season, lol j/p
    So you wouldn't draft Brandon Jennings?

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    Default Re: Potential steals in the draft -> Jeremy Tyler and Josh Selby

    He was one of the most disappointing freshmen this season, but at 15, I would take a flier on him. One caveat I feel compelled to mention: He's not a true point guard. He's more of a combo guard and at best he's a scoring point. I like his talent, but IIRC he shot terribly in college and was a nonfactor this past season. He has talent, but he's a ways away from capitalizing on it.

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    Some of Jeremy Tyler's drills, measurements, etc were very impressive, especially the test to see how high the players can reach during their jump...he easily got the 12-foot marker and they had to prop up the stand so that it was around 13 feet or so, and he still got it. It was pretty incredible. I also know some other player had to do that as well right after him, but I forget who that other one was.

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    Default Re: Potential steals in the draft -> Jeremy Tyler and Josh Selby

    For all they guys that say pass on Tyler.


    I would really like to know your reasoning on why you would pass on him.

    I would like to see him work out and see how he does when and if LB calls him in and puts him through drills.

    I see people saying they wouldn't want Tyler but I don't see anybody saying why.

    I personally would not mind if Bird went with him at 15.

    This draft is not deep at all and this kid has the build and the look of a NBA PF.

    He was highly thought of before he went to Europe.

    He had a hard time overseas but what 17 year old kid wouldn't I would rather take a risk on him then settle for a guy that will sit on our bench for a few years before we let him go.

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    Default Re: Potential steals in the draft -> Jeremy Tyler and Josh Selby

    To be honest, my reasoning for not wanting Larry to drafter Tyler is purely a gut feeling. I've read that he's gotten his attitude in check while playing in Tokyo, so maybe he would be worth taking a risk on. My gut says that I want someone else taking that risk though.
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    So you wouldn't draft Brandon Jennings?
    Sorry for the Joke... but I wouldn't draft either of them at 15...

    and the neither of them played college basketball this year was just a joke about Shelby barely getting any pt this year, and being suspended for a lot of the time.

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    Sorry for the Joke... but I wouldn't draft either of them at 15...

    and the neither of them played college basketball this year was just a joke about Shelby barely getting any pt this year, and being suspended for a lot of the time.
    I wouldn't draft them at 15 either but I would trade back to get one of them. We could possibly trade up in the second round to draft Tyler. The man is 6'10 and has a 7'5 wingspan. I found a interesting article on him for anyone interested.

    http://www.asiabasketballupdate.com/jeremy-tyler.html

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    For all they guys that say pass on Tyler.


    I would really like to know your reasoning on why you would pass on him.

    I would like to see him work out and see how he does when and if LB calls him in and puts him through drills.

    I see people saying they wouldn't want Tyler but I don't see anybody saying why.

    I personally would not mind if Bird went with him at 15.

    This draft is not deep at all and this kid has the build and the look of a NBA PF.

    He was highly thought of before he went to Europe.

    He had a hard time overseas but what 17 year old kid wouldn't I would rather take a risk on him then settle for a guy that will sit on our bench for a few years before we let him go.
    Personally I would be pissed if we took him at 15. I am all for drafting on potential but does any mock draft have Tyler going any where near 15. If Bird drafted Tyler it would be like when he drafted Willams but worse. We shouldn't reach for a guy if we can trade back and add a future first or second round pick.

    The kid could become a lesser version of Al Jefferson but we shouldn't reach for a sleeper pick like him.

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    Default Re: Potential steals in the draft -> Jeremy Tyler and Josh Selby

    In most drafts I would cal it a reach but this year I just really don't see anyone at 15 that isn't a reach in any other draft.

    I would be all for trading back if we keep the pick.

    Ideally I would like to see us package the pick in a trade and if we want Tyler or any other project guy just buy a pick like Portland does all the time

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