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    I've been saying for years, even on my twitter yesterday, the lottery is rigged. Until they show it live I'll never buy it.
    Here we come lottery?

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    Default Re: Wolves GM David Kahn Implies the Draft Lottery is Rigged

    His comments were blown out of proportion.

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    Yeah, but that's because it is Cleveland not because Lebron James left.
    I'm sure that LeBron leaving did its fair share of damage to Cleveland's financial situation. Lost playoff revenue, for starters.

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    Indiana raised Greg Oden goes to who? Portland.
    You just don't get it. Stern hates the Indiana Pacers because we're a small-market team. This is why he helps Milwaukee and Cleveland instead.
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    Indiana raised Greg Oden goes to who? Portland.
    It's a well-known fact that Stern hates Indiana.

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    Because he's a moron?

    There have been four 'storyline' picks in the last 12 years. Three of those four should not come as a surprise considering those teams' odds, with Chicago getting the number 1 pick in the Derrick Rose draft being the only shock. Now if you can explain why a league that rigs drafts would give #1 picks to the likes of Toronto, Milwaukee, Portland and the Clippers i'd love to hear it.

    And for those that want to see a live ceremony, that's cool. I prefer exciting television over a boring 2 minute process though, so i'll have to disagree.
    Look at all the controversy over the NBA being potentially rigged, by your estimates, 33% of the time. How do you think people would react if it appeared the draft was rigged every year? At that point, you'd best believe the proper authorities would cry foul and get involved.

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    I'm sure that LeBron leaving did its fair share of damage to Cleveland's financial situation. Lost playoff revenue, for starters.
    That's sort of like saying that the fact that the Titanic crashed at night really hurt the chance of survival of the passengers. They were doomed either way.

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    It's a well-known fact that Stern hates Indiana.
    Yes, Stern hates Indiana. Indy is the home of Bob and Tom, the tandem that drove him to satellite radio instead of staying put where he was...

    Oh, weren't you talking about Howard Stern?

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    You just don't get it. Stern hates the Indiana Pacers because we're a small-market team. This is why he helps Milwaukee and Cleveland instead.
    Not exactly going out on a limb here, but the Pacers will never move up, let alone win, a lottery as long as Stern is around. Hopefully, they aren't in the lottery during the remainder of his dictatorship. As others have said, there's no need for the NBA to rig the lottery every year--Irving isn't a once in a lifetime talent--but if you don't think they sway it a bit when a LeBron, Rose, or Ewing are there, you're pretty naive. Oh, and I have a nice Rolex to sell you. I found it at the flea market, but it's good, I promise. Certified by the finest hand-picked appraiser.
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    One question for someone with appropriate resources - since the full 4-digit ping-pong-ball lottery system came into play, how many times has the team with the worst record actually gotten the #1 pick?

    If someone can go back further, since the NBA started making it possible to award the #1 pick to someone other than the worst team (the year of the infamous envelope) how many times has the worst team gotten the first pick?

    And, finally, for someone like count55 who is good at numbers, can the expected number of times the #1 should have gone to the team with the worst record be compared to the actuals? This is complex because multiple systems have been used with different numbers of teams in the selection pool and different chances depending on the system.
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    why would Stern want LeBron in Cleveland? That hurts his marketability. Why would the league give a crap that he's a local kid? I thought the whole point of the rigging of the lottery was to put the big talent in big cities; small makets be damned.

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    why would Stern want LeBron in Cleveland? That hurts his marketability. Why would the league give a crap that he's a local kid? I thought the whole point of the rigging of the lottery was to put the big talent in big cities; small makets be damned.


    Exactly.

    Both Chicago and New York were lottery teams when Cleveland won the Lebron sweepstakes. If there were any rigging to be done, the NBA would have had him 1) Resurrect basketball in NYC or 2) Be the heir apparent to MJ in Chicago. It certainly wouldn't have been to go to Cleveland, one of the most depressing NBA markets.

    I agree, who cares that he's from Cleveland? Hardly anyone plays in their hometown - it's not that big a deal. Him playing in New York or Chicago would have been much more marketable from the league's standpoint than him playing in his hometown in Cleveland. No one really gives a **** that he's from Cleveland aside from the people in Cleveland.

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    I am not sure what I believe about the NBA draft. I sure do think some of these feel-good storylines and occurrences are awfully convenient though. It can be just chalked up to odds and I'm sure no matter what someone would be able to create some sort of positive spin on anyone winning the draft lottery. I just hope the Pacers can do the best with what they have. I hope beyond hope that we can lure away some top tier player in the league at their position that also fits a position of need for us with a fat contract so that we don't have to give up much in the process other than some cap space but we better be damn sure of what we're getting if we go that route.

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    Its a LOTTERY. By definition, someone is going to get lucky and someone is going to strike out. SOMEONE has to win it and sometimes it's going to be a big market team and sometimes it's going to be a small market team. The luck is just as random as a real lottery.

    If it were really rigged, would Boston have struck out in 1997 for the Tim Duncan sweepstakes? Or would they got the fifth pick in the 2007 draft when they had the second best odds to win it? The Celtics were depressing throughout the entire 1990's, so if there were rigging to be done you would think the league would have rigged it for them to get Duncan. Or they would have thrown them a bone in the Odon/Durant draft as they had had 15 years of futility by then.

    Christ, the Knicks were in the lottery for virtually the entire 00's and never did better than the 6th pick! One would logically think that the league would have thrown them a bone somewhere along the line if there were any rigging to be done.

    Small market teams have fared off well. The Cavs have had 2 number 1 picks in 9 years. The Magic have had three number 1 picks in their short existence.

    Just as big market teams like the Knicks and Celtics strike out, a large market team like Chicago can strike gold and win it. But it's just luck and chance. Sometimes the big market teams win, sometimes they lose. It's ridiculous to say that it's rigged when Chicago gets Rose while ignoring all the bad luck the Celtics and Knicks have had in the lottery in recent years.
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    So let me get this straight.....

    Because the lottery outcome doesn't fit a conspiracy theory every year, that's proof it doesn't happen once in a while?

    Okay, that makes a lot of sense. /green

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    So let me get this straight.....

    Because the lottery outcome doesn't fit a conspiracy theory every year, that's proof it doesn't happen once in a while?

    Okay, that makes a lot of sense. /green


    It's proof that a lottery is completely random, which I think makes complete sense. Sometimes big market teams win and sometimes they lose. Sometimes an already wealthy person will win the lottery, sometimes a dirt poor one will.

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    It doesn't "prove" anything one way or the other.

    EDIT: You can argue it's evidence sure, but no one is saying that the draft is rigged EVERY year.

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    Most people feel for Cleveland? I think the majority public opinion is that they thought Lebron handled it poorly, but I don't think anyone blames him for leaving Cleveland.
    I don't think alot of people find the hometown hero ditching his hometown fans very appealing. Especially the way Lebron did it. So yeah, I think people feel for Cleveland. I don't think people find it very admirable that he left Cleveland for southbeach.

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    So let me get this straight.....

    Because the lottery outcome doesn't fit a conspiracy theory every year, that's proof it doesn't happen once in a while?

    Okay, that makes a lot of sense. /green
    Well, a REAL conspiracy would try to make itself appear invisible, and constantly skewed outcomes are a dead giveaway.

    I am reserving judgment unless/until someone can get the actual numbers and a reasonable expected value for the last-place team getting the first pick. Anecdotally, though, I have never watched an NBA lottery where the last place team actually got that #1 pick. I've also never quite understood why the real lottery ball drop has to be held separately in secret.
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    Is there anyone here that honestly would have stayed with the Cavs over going to Miami? The only thing he should have changed was how he did it.

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    Well, a REAL conspiracy would try to make itself appear invisible, and constantly skewed outcomes are a dead giveaway.
    Having the lottery take place behind close doors, with no one (not even NBA owners) allowed access to the ping-pong ball drawing, isn't invisible?

    Uh, okay.

    EDIT: And the results aren't CONSTANTLY skewed, which is why Adam and others have made the argument that because it doesn't happen every year, it "proves" it isn't rigged.
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    Is there anyone here that honestly would have stayed with the Cavs over going to Miami? The only thing he should have changed was how he did it.
    That has zero to do with whether or not the Cavs were compensated by the league for having it happen to them.

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    Is there anyone here that honestly would have stayed with the Cavs over going to Miami? The only thing he should have changed was how he did it.
    I would have went to chicago over both of them better teams and better city

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    I would have went to chicago over both of them better teams and better city
    I said from the beginning I would have went to either Chicago or the Clippers. But definitely Chicago when you take into the account that they had enough cap space to sign him and DWade.

    DRose, DWade, AND LeBron? Uh, yes please.

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    Ok, but given the choice between Cleveland and Miami and the situations last summer, who is really staying in Cleveland?

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