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The Mystical Power Forward

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  • #46
    Re: The Mystical Power Forward

    Varajeo would be a good pick up. But would rather have Nene. Varajeo tends to do things out of his game, sometimes i see him trying to create off the dribble and then turns it over. He is a excellent rebounder. Nene can hit the outside jumper and has a good post game. My favorite thing about Nene is the way he finishes at the rim

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    • #47
      Re: The Mystical Power Forward

      God D*** it. Every time someone mentions Varaejao wearing blue and gold, I fight the need to have a convulsing seizure and throwing up everywhere.

      Edit: To actually make this post useful. I have a hard time finding a better Pf than Josh Smith,although Aldridge would be great too but untouchable. I know that has been talked about to no end. I wouldn't mind having Chris Kaman if he could start at 4 and play some at the 5 (4-5 flexibility being the main reason to have him). I would also be very interested if we got Big Baby; no superstar, but him and Tyler could cause some serious casualties out on the floor. I believe he is a free agent. And then there is Nene. I would to have him but may cost too much.


      some others that would be nice to have but won't make you go druel.

      Taj Gibson.
      Kris Humphries.
      Carl Landry.
      Last edited by Richard_Skull; 05-18-2011, 01:59 AM.
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      • #48
        Re: The Mystical Power Forward

        The reality is that there are no FAs that we can outright sign that will be that "Mystical PF" ( the closest one is Nene and I'm not so sure that he is the answer )....much less one in the draft that we can draft at the 15th spot or even trade up for....so the only way that we are going to get one is to trade for an existing Starting quality PF on another Team.

        As to who that PF is that we can reasonably acquire?

        Unlike many of you, I don't think that Big Men like Varajeo will be available. Until the new CBA comes out and we get a clearer picture of how the new SalaryCap will affect Teams and their finances, I don't know what "Mystical PF" that we can reasonably get.
        Last edited by CableKC; 05-18-2011, 02:13 AM.
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        • #49
          Re: The Mystical Power Forward

          [QUOTE=pwee31;1236793]I watched that 2009 draft again, and Jay Bilas said that about Hansbrough when we drafted him.[/QUOTE

          Forgot about the Bilas quote. Frank said this when he first took over.

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          • #50
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            Blatche - has talent to be a top player in the NBA, he's selfish, lacks work ethic, doesn't play hard often especially if he's not shooting or really scoring. I'd lable him a cancer actually. He is really good, but its diminished greatly. No thanks!! Plus 2 wins to minus 2 wins.

            Verajeo - is Noah lite. He has the foot speed to stay with many power forwards and the size and tenacity to play center. He brings you extra possessions with offensive rebounding and exceptional defense in the front court. He's has 3 guaranteed years left on his contract at 7.9, 8.6, 9.2. This is a good get I think. I also think he would be available since Cleveland is building from the ground up. He turns 30 in September, so thats not great. Plus 5 wins.

            Carl Landry - inconsistent undersized guy who can score on occaision. He needs the right match up to play well, imo. He killed Troy Murphy when with the Pacers (who didn't), but if he was matched up against Boozer or Noah, he'd get killed in a playoff series. Landry is a good back PF imo, but not what the Pacers need. Even.

            Nene - by far the best fit, but is he worthy of franchise money, can you build around him as a best player, probably not, but he'll get paid like you can. Tough call, he would probably get the Pacers to 8 - 12 more wins next year, but not to contender status. Plus 10 wins.

            Al Jefferson - he needs the offense to revolve around him to be effective, not a smart player, in general, liability defensively. Horrible fit next to Hibbert. If you got Jefferson, I'd say move Roy for a defensive based center who doesn't need to ever touch the ball. Plus 4 wins.

            Kris Humphries - better rebounding Tyler with worse offense, can't play center. One year statistical wonder who worries you if this was real. Sounds like NJ will wrap him up. Plus 2 wins.

            Taj Gibson - I like him better than Boozer, honestly. He's very very good defensively, just young and inconsistent. I"d guess Chicago realizes his value too and you'd have to way overpay in a trade for him. Plus 3 wins.

            Okafor - too large contract for production, has Center skills, but is mostly a PF. Couldn't play him next to Roy in todays perimeter type PFs. He does do what you need rebound defend, but not at an elite level, all the time. He's a support player paid like a 2nd best or 1st best guy. If you can play with CP3 and still put up "just good" numbers, that may tell you that you have limitations. Plus 5 wins.

            Sciola - Great fit, worker, can get buckets in awkward ways. It seems Houston realizes how good he is too and the asking price is high. I'd love to get this guy, he would make the overall team fit and play better. He was 31 in April and has 3 years left on his contract at 8.5, 9.4, 10.2. Paying a 34 yr old Sciola 10.2 may be tough to swallow. Plus 9 wins.

            Who else did I miss?

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            • #51
              Re: The Mystical Power Forward

              ttp://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=19824

              What do you guys think of LUC Mbah Moute I think he would be a perfect fit with Tyler's game either of the bench or as a 25 minute a night starter.

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              • #52
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                Originally posted by Bryan8831 View Post
                ttp://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=19824

                What do you guys think of LUC Mbah Moute I think he would be a perfect fit with Tyler's game either of the bench or as a 25 minute a night starter.
                One of my favorite non Pacer players in the league based on his defense and physical play, but every other team knows his value too, I think. I'd think you have to overpay to get him.

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                • #53
                  Re: The Mystical Power Forward

                  Originally posted by Speed View Post
                  One of my favorite non Pacer players in the league based on his defense and physical play, but every other team knows his value too, I think. I'd think you have to overpay to get him.
                  Speed, what is he good at. I admit I have not really seen him play. I see his name brought up on here every once in a while. His stats aren't great and at 6'8" he seems to be undersized also. Is he great at defense or something? Does he have great potential? We really need a strong presence at the 4. Can he give it to us? I watched a couple of videos and he does have a nice jumper. He looks like he could be good at the pick and roll or pick and pop.

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                  • #54
                    Re: The Mystical Power Forward

                    Dwight Howard.

                    Go big, or go home.

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                    • #55
                      Re: The Mystical Power Forward

                      Originally posted by Speed View Post

                      ...

                      Who else did I miss?
                      Nice idea with the +/- wins.

                      I do think you are too generous. If I had to bet, I'd guess noone on that list adds over 5 wins.
                      Don't get me wrong, with full year of better coaching, with improvement from youngsters, I think we'll be around 42-45 team either way. That's even if we add no veteran bigs.
                      But I think none of those bigs gets us 9 or 10 wins on top of it.

                      I'd pick Varejao as the best +/- guy for us, but I think Taj Gibson would be nearly as good choice and much better long term.
                      Taj is just a perfect fit. Not the all star people want. But he's got all we need. Energy, shot blocking, overall defense and hustle, good personality, he even had a midrange jumper last year (not so much this year). If he can get the jump shot back, that pushes him over Varejao for me.

                      I don't understand the idea that Scola and Nene are great fits for us. Those are offensive minded players. We need D, shot blocking and rebounding. Well, Nene remembers to defend every other quarter, so there's that. And Scola does have 20 great rebounding games a year (and 60 miserable). But that doesn't exactly solve our problems.

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                      • #56
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                        Originally posted by pacers74 View Post
                        Speed, what is he good at. I admit I have not really seen him play. I see his name brought up on here every once in a while. His stats aren't great and at 6'8" he seems to be undersized also. Is he great at defense or something? Does he have great potential? We really need a strong presence at the 4. Can he give it to us? I watched a couple of videos and he does have a nice jumper. He looks like he could be good at the pick and roll or pick and pop.
                        I'm a sucker for intense defenders. He can guard quick 3s to strong 4s. He plays hard and physical, but fast and smart defensively. He's limited offensively, he can hit the knock down standing jumper and get some put backs. He also can disappear, at times offensively. He can also trigger runs defensively. He fits that mold, for me, that opposing players get tired of him harrassing them, when he's applying himself all out. I guess overall I like his physical style, but the ability to be physical but also athletic. I don't think you see that often. Usually guys are big and strong or quick and athletic. He is a combination of both, imo.

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                        • #57
                          Re: The Mystical Power Forward

                          Originally posted by Speed View Post
                          Blatche - has talent to be a top player in the NBA, he's selfish, lacks work ethic, doesn't play hard often especially if he's not shooting or really scoring. I'd lable him a cancer actually. He is really good, but its diminished greatly. No thanks!! Plus 2 wins to minus 2 wins.

                          Verajeo - is Noah lite. He has the foot speed to stay with many power forwards and the size and tenacity to play center. He brings you extra possessions with offensive rebounding and exceptional defense in the front court. He's has 3 guaranteed years left on his contract at 7.9, 8.6, 9.2. This is a good get I think. I also think he would be available since Cleveland is building from the ground up. He turns 30 in September, so thats not great. Plus 5 wins.

                          Carl Landry - inconsistent undersized guy who can score on occaision. He needs the right match up to play well, imo. He killed Troy Murphy when with the Pacers (who didn't), but if he was matched up against Boozer or Noah, he'd get killed in a playoff series. Landry is a good back PF imo, but not what the Pacers need. Even.


                          Who else did I miss?
                          I would put Chuck Hayes in there. I dont' remember who has been indoctrinating the board with Hayes talk but it worked on me. I think he might be a better fit than Landry for his defense and rebounding.

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                          • #58
                            Re: The Mystical Power Forward

                            Originally posted by Speed View Post
                            I'm a sucker for intense defenders. He can guard quick 3s to strong 4s. He plays hard and physical, but fast and smart defensively. He's limited offensively, he can hit the knock down standing jumper and get some put backs. He also can disappear, at times offensively. He can also trigger runs defensively. He fits that mold, for me, that opposing players get tired of him harrassing them, when he's applying himself all out. I guess overall I like his physical style, but the ability to be physical but also athletic. I don't think you see that often. Usually guys are big and strong or quick and athletic. He is a combination of both, imo.
                            Agreed. He's not big, but his strength makes up for it. The rare player that can guard the 3 and 4 effectively thanks to his speed. Quick response time, too, knows what's going on around him. Really the unsung hero of the Bucks season, was able to mask a lot of holes in their lineup and cover for guys that were a step slow due to injury.

                            Not going to give you much offensively, though he could probably do more. Will probably never develop it either. Raw skills plus defensive intensity doesn't leave much on the offensive end.

                            Would love to have him, but I think Skiles would fight to the death anyone who came to take him.
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                            • #59
                              Re: The Mystical Power Forward

                              I'm not a big fan of Sideshow Bob, but his production-to-contract value is efficient.

                              Rush, #15, and cap space for Vaj-Vaj?

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                              • #60
                                Re: The Mystical Power Forward

                                Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                                I would put Chuck Hayes in there. I dont' remember who has been indoctrinating the board with Hayes talk but it worked on me. I think he might be a better fit than Landry for his defense and rebounding.
                                Chuck Hayes - Jeff Foster type, under sized vertically, but not in hustle and strength. Does all of those un stat things, just like Jeff. Not the offensive rebounder that Jeff is, but who is. He is however a tough guy in a league with few tough guys. He does what he does and doesn't try to do things he isn't capable of. Underated role player, if he was 4 inches taller he'd be regarded as one of the top guys role players in the league. He can't guard tall 4s who can shoot from outside, but he will foul the living S%^& out of them. I like him, but again, I like physical tough players. He would eliminate the need to bring Jeff back. Projects as a top back up big, but not a starter, unless your center is Dominant offensively. Plus 4 wins

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