...Still "flying casual"
Let's keep Frank and hire M. Brown as defensive assistant!
What? Mike wouldn't do that? Awww shoot.... certainly it beats doing television.
There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.
"He also stated he expected that if Frank was retained that he expected an upgrade to the bench. Said the Pacers were loose w/ Fronk - too loose! Said players messed around too much & were often late to practice. Said he expected someone (not Frank) who could/ would be more of an stern hand to keep the disipline.
Jim O'Brien as an assistant maybe?
The whole discipline aspect of Frank and players showing up late makes me want mike brown even more now. Mike Brown won't take that crap from the players.
You can't get champagne from a garden hose.
Not sure how to say this. Can you become more discipline and not damage the established relationships in doing so?
Was it lack of respect or lack of clear expectations and consequences?
With a full camp and removing the interim tag, maybe all of those things fall into place, I guess.
It usually works better with a disciplinarian head coach and a player friendly assistant. It would be interesting to see how Vogel manages the transition, if ever.
I wonder if Bird had to be the disciplinarian last season?
I thought we read that Frank was stepping up towards the end of the season discipline wise. Didn't he go toe to toe with Posey in practice? I don't think I made that up.
Wish I could truck Mike Wells more to tell what's really happening rather than just to stir up things.
I know that you want sunshine and lollipops when it comes to the local media & beat writer reporting.... But, that kind of leaves us all in the dark and a lot of NEWS unreported!!
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...Still "flying casual"
Something in the gut says Mike Brown will be offered the job and Bird's last interview with Vogel will be the offer to accept associate head coach.
You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....
I really hope there isn't a lockout because this Summer will be huge in terms of improving our team and getting everybody on board with the coaches. I'm all for getting OJ Mayo this summer, he needs out of Memphis badly. I'm pretty sure when they subbed him in the other day and the crowd was booing him. A change of scenery would do that young man some good.
my biggest concern about Vogel is that he is too lax, and what Wells is saying here seems to back that up. Not sure if the same guy can turn that around.
I really don't think I'm making this up, but didn't you turn on this comment a few weeks ago when we read that Frank was acting as more of a disciplinarian?
Edit: It was a Kravitz article. This is a quote from Dunleavy: "As he's gone along, he's gotten more comfortable and figured out what his coaching style is," Pacers veteran Mike Dunleavy said. "At the beginning, he wanted to be overly positive, and that was a good thing. Now he's gotten to the point where he's raising his voice a little bit and cracking the whip a little bit recently."
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Anybody want to make a bet that Tyler will put Lance in his place this season?
I don't think Mike Brown is a hard *** either though
Mike Brown's players quit on him in the playoffs.
What did Frank Vogel's players do?
I think part of it was a "substitute teacher" problem. But I also think as the year went on he got sterner. (Stickup up to Posey, punishing AJ for missing shoot around, punishing Lance for whatever he did, getting into the guys in the locker room) And that it was a growing experience for Vogel. He knew when he got the team he needed to be positive. But like a bunch of young guys would do, without a leader, they took it too far. And then he realized he had to be hard on them sometimes. They liked him, but they needed to learn to respect him. And I think it was obvious at the end, that they did.
I remember Roy Hibbert saying that when Frank gets mad and yells, they listen. Because it means something. Guys will tune out a dictator.
Then add in Roy's comments about Frank being the coach of the year, Danny saying he wanted Frank to be the head coach, and someone saying that Tyler Hansbrough would "run through a wall for Frank" Makes the decision all too obvious for me.
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