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    Barring more rain it looks like quals will resume just before 5PM... and go until 6PM...
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    That was an awesome Bump Day.

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    Thats two awesome bump days in a row... Maybe IMS is onto something?
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    And Danica hasn't been able to get her car on the track to make an attempt... and the field is full.
    That was my favorite part of the whole day. I would have rathered it kept raining so she couldn't qualify (since she'd failed tech and missed her inital spot qualifying), but I didn't want her taking John Andretti's ride from him. You know that would have happened.

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    They can deny it all they want, but Cousin John would have been without a ride. Bet on it. Part of me really likes the fact that some of the big dogs struggled. Makes the appreciate how hard is used to be and hopefully, will be, in the future.
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    Ryan Hunter-Reay is back in the 500. Andretti and Foyt have worked out a deal. Hunter-Reay will take over the #41 car qualified 19th by Bruno Junquera for the Foyt team.

    For the 2nd time in 3 years Junquera gets the short end of the stick, losing his ride to another driver.

    Per the rules, the driver change means the car will start 33rd.
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    They can deny it all they want, but Cousin John would have been without a ride. Bet on it. Part of me really likes the fact that some of the big dogs struggled. Makes the appreciate how hard is used to be and hopefully, will be, in the future.
    Not sure... considering the Hunter-Reay deal and how that has played out. Also, besides sponsorship considerations (although how much does Window World really pay for their sponsorship?), I think there'd be a severe anti-Danica PR backlash if they put her in John Andretti's car.

    Honestly, I think they would've allowed another hour of quals if the rain would've forced them to not have the track dry in time for Danica to get a run.

    Keep in mind, Barnhart sidestepped saying they wouldn't do that when asked. He said something about it was too early to think about that and to just see if they could get the track ready first.

    IMHO had Danica been qualified Barnhart's answer would've been different... It would've been "The field is full... Everyone has had their chance to qualify this weekend. Qualifying ends at 6PM"

    ....We'll never know now...

    There was plenty of drama and storylines this weekend. Robin Miller said it was the best in 30 years because of the storylines.

    Things like the Scott Speed/Jay Penske situation would've been a major story not all that long ago, but there were so many other relevant stories to follow that they just went on the backburner.

    And being a sucker for real emotion I gotta admit it choked me up a little when Bob Jenkins choked up telling how about 20 people got together at the S/F line back in Feb after the Tom Carnegie memorial to have a drink in Tom's memory.

    I really wish last year they would've let Tom say "Ladies and Gentlemen... Start Your Engines". In fact, I thought that was what they were going to do when they went to him but instead that let him announce Mari-Hulman George to say it again.
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    That was my favorite part of the whole day. I would have rathered it kept raining so she couldn't qualify (since she'd failed tech and missed her inital spot qualifying), but I didn't want her taking John Andretti's ride from him. You know that would have happened.
    I was hoping she'd get her shot and not make it... or get bumped. I didn't want to hear how they had her car all figured out and she just got screwed out of taking the track. ...Or else she'd have to go out there and gas it on a bonzai run to make the race. The last thing I wanted was to hear anybody whining how the fastest 33 weren't in the race... how Danica got robbed... etc etc etc....

    So she made it on her time. Good for her.

    Now, let's see how many spots she can lose to start the race.... I swear she must put her car into reverse for starts and re-starts...
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    http://www.wthr.com/story/14700758/h...-indy-500-ride

    I just don't think stuff like this is right. I know - it's all about the $$, but it's just not the right way for a driver to get in the field.

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    I sure hope Bruno got lots of $$$ for this. That's the second time he's gotten his ride taken away.

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    I sure hope Bruno got lots of $$$ for this. That's the second time he's gotten his ride taken away.

    At least for the other one it was for a teammate who was the #1 driver... and more or less he'd had time run out... and there were sponsor commitments the team had to consider.

    In this case, AJ has no connection to the sponsors. It's not AJ's problem.

    OTOH, RHR probably gives AJ a better shot at a win than Bruno. I'd assume RHR will bring his own Andretti pit crew with him... and he's probably getting in a better car... albeit one he's not very familiar with. An experienced pit crew working with their regular driver is a one advantage the regular teams have over the one-off teams and drivers.

    ..But I'm just speculating that's how this plays out with the crew...
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    AJ is probably getting a very NICE financial boost for this.
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    As distasteful as it is, it is hardly unprecidented. There's a poll on Speed.com to vote for changing the rule so it's prohibited. I voted to make it against the rules because I think it's BS.
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    What is the official scenario being used... because it could be played 2 ways...
    #1- RHR/Andretti buys the Foyt #41 seat
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    #2- Foyt (thanks to cash, etc) withdraws his #41 car and RHR's own car then makes the field as the first alternate.

    #2 means the rule change wouldn't even have mattered in this case.
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    #1. There has been no talk of withdrawing the #41. It is still to be the Foyt ABC #41, just with DHL and whatever else on it.
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    I hope this brouhaha over the driver swap dies down and doesn't overshadow all the good PR leading into the race.

    The switch isn't that big of a deal. The rule exists. Nobody is really doing anything wrong. Yes, it sucks for Junquera to lose his ride this way... There's no denying that... but this isn't some bush league, underhanded, rule bending thing that should detract from the event.

    Lost in the public's mind over the years is that technically you qualify the car, not the driver. Back when innovation was king the driver was of course important because you wanted some brave, hotshot to make sure you got every last tenth out of your rocket ship... but the focus was also on the equipment too. It's not like this is something that is new to the 500.

    But you have a lot of people, and media, paying a little more attention this year due to the 100th anniversary, the good PR that has been building in the past few months, and the quality of the field this year and buzz that creates. And a lot of these people don't really know the history of the event. So making a big deal, especially allowing for any negative press, is making a mountain out of a molehill. It's also fueling a perception... (that it's somehow cheapened the race) and it's a perception that isn't necessarily reality.

    The fact is, RHR probably has a better shot at winning than Junquera since RHR IS both a good driver and a series regular (and one thing that could cause the one-off teams trouble will be on pit lane where the teams don't necessarily have the continued trial by fire of the current season, as well as working together, under their belts. A mistake on pit road could very well mean the difference between contending for the win and even staying on the lead lap.

    IOW... It's not like AJ Foyt sold out Junquera for Milka Duno to have a ride.... or Dr Jack Miller.

    Should the rule be changed? Does the rule reflect the current Indycar model? The rule does allow for a driver who's injured or racing another series to hire someone to qualify for them. Does that need to be changed?

    The cars being so much more alike than in the past, along with the promotion of the drivers, does put more of a premium on the driver. So that's a reason to change the rule. As does the argument that it cheapens the race. Whether it does or it doesn't, the Indy 500 doesn't need that debate in the press.

    And finally, as I said above... Even if this rule was changed to where you could not sell a ride Foyt could've still agreed ($$$) to withdraw his #41 car and RHR would've immediately made the field since he was the 34th fastest qualifier. If you take a car out of the field then the 34th place car moves up.

    With the rule at least you can argue for some reasons to keep it, plus remove the murkiness of a team making a backroom deal to withdraw a car to allow the 34th fastest to make the field. At least now, either way, they can do it in the open.

    I don't necessarily like it, and I might like it less if it was a regular occurrence or if it was used to bounce a quality driver for a Milka Duno bringing $$$$, but as it is it's not going to ruin my enjoyment of the Indy 500 this weekend. There's many more relevant things to follow this race than that.

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    I just got home from Carb Day, and one of the things I noticed is that RHR was in the top 10 in the final speed charts in the last practice today. He might be a surprise on Sunday.


    This got what seemed to be the entire front stretch to all yell OOOOOHHHHHHHHHH in unison!
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    Am I the only one who's continually disappointed that I won't be able to watch the race in real time tomorrow (Anybody in Indianapolis/Central Indiana area)?

    It just pisses me off that I can't watch it in real time because I live in the city where it's at.

    That's like telling me I can watch this years Superbowl the following day just because I happen to live in the host city.

    F**k it pisses me off
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    Am I the only one who's continually disappointed that I won't be able to watch the race in real time tomorrow (Anybody in Indianapolis/Central Indiana area)?

    It just pisses me off that I can't watch it in real time because I live in the city where it's at.

    That's like telling me I can watch this years Superbowl the following day just because I happen to live in the host city.

    F**k it pisses me off
    Well, you can watch it in real time... Come on down to the Speedway and watch it live as it happens...
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    I see they've made a late change in the double-file restarts. The go zone was going to be on the front stretch... But now the go zone is going into turn 4. I'm not sure how that's really better but apparently the drivers, who don't want double-file restarts, think that is better.

    I suspect they're going to blow the double file start a couple of times to the point Indycar will at some point scrap it for the remainder of the race.

    It wouldn't surprise me to see the 3 abreast start that (AFAIK) will still be tightened this year and start closer to the flag stand be a bit of a cluster.... For one thing they've been allowed ragged Indy starts for so long under Barnhart that I think old habits will die hard. Then they will also be in uncharted territory because none of these drivers have had to start Indy maintaining a nice formation onto the front stretch without the silly unspoken rule that the pole sitter has earned the right to lead the first lap.

    Honestly, I'm not so sure about the double-file restarts at Indy. Not unless they bring back the apron and I don't see them repaving that this morning!

    But I'm still not sure how heading INTO 4 is a better compromise...

    Of course no matter what the drivers do have a brake pedal and a gas pedal.

    I can't imagine how the outside row won't be a disadvantage for the front running cars. ....Although I hope the rule also now includes "Green for the leader is green for the field" as opposed to a "no advancing your position until the S/F line" rule. But thinking about that... that does allow the leader to clear the field and the 2nd place car to fall in line behind him before the s/f line... and if the other rows follow suit then it's basically a double file restart that ultimately is really a single file restart.

    But someone is going to try passing on the high side anyway... at some point...
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    I've been to every Indy 500 since I was eight years old but am missing it this year. I had a one in a lifetime opportunity to the go to the KY Derby and couldn't afford plane tickets for both.

    I've never watched the thing on TV in my life and am sort of interested to see what that's like. But I'll be back next year!

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    Well, you can watch it in real time... Come on down to the Speedway and watch it live as it happens...
    Haha well I usually do, but I just wasn't able to make it to the track this year.

    Thankfully, I'm able to stream it live on my computer...
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    wow that was sad the rookie had it won and just choked.

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    Wow. Just wow.

    Honestly, I just want to cry right now, and I'm a guy. That was just one of the hardest things you could ever watch in sports.

    My heart really goes out to that kid.

    Just in utter shock right now. Wow.
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    wow that was sad the rookie had it won and just choked.
    While he definitely gets blame for it, that's not entirely his fault. That lapped car really screwed him up. Really forced him into No Man's Land.

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