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    One of the all-time greatest choke jobs in sports history. He's the 2007 New England Patriots of racing. A brilliant run ruined by total failure at the end.
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    Well, that hurt. By the way, watching the race on TV, you see almost as much racing as you do commercials. Almost.

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    While he definitely gets blame for it, that's not entirely his fault. That lapped car really screwed him up. Really forced him into No Man's Land.
    If he slows down, Wheldon might have caught him still. Hildebrand said later his concern was that if he slowed down and waited to get around Kimball, he wouldn't have enough left in the tank to get back up to speed. He had pitted for the last time at the same time as Dario, so I think he had some validity to that.
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    The team and spotter should've known whether he could afford to tip-toe around the lapped car... pull in behind him and slingshot out on the straight... whatever..... It's easy to blame the rookie but what info did his spotter give him?

    A lot of people said Marco relaxed a few years ago and that was the momentum killer than Hornish needed to catch him and get around him before the stripe. I'm sure that scenario was on Hildebrand's mind as well.

    I gotta say though that was a heartbreaker for the kid. I'm just glad that the next car in line was Wheldon and not a Penske or Ganassi. I respect what those guys have done but a deserving winner from another team was so much better for the event and fans.

    And of course if the yellow would've came out within a few moments of the contact with the wall...... Hmmmmmmm......
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    I don't think Marco relaxed. The Penskes that year had been the fastest day in and day out. Sam had the horses under the hood to catch him even after Marco slammed the door shut in turn 3 on lap 198.

    And I agree, Im glad it was a small time team who won it after JR hit the wall, I'd been ticked if it had been a Penske or Ganassi.
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    This shouldn't be so confusing...
    First I read this:
    Speculation surrounded the finish as the final lap was officially run under a yellow flag. The rules dictate that the finish would normally revert back to the running order on the previous lap--Lap 199, which Hildebrand led--but because Hildebrand caused the yellow, the results will stand.

    "[IndyCar Race Director] Brian Barnhart explained to us that because JR was a wounded car on the last lap, he was fair game," said Barnes. "I'm fine with that. It's a classy decision and we're not going to protest."
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    The question was, when did the caution light come on? Chief steward Brian Barnhart said that was irrelevant since a wounded car is always fair game to pass.

    "There has never been an expectation for a car not to pass a car involved in an accident," Barnhart said.

    Said Wheldon: "As Brian says, you have to make it to the bricks with a car that can go forward on all four wheels. At that point I knew it was mine."
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    First, I thought the rule about reverting back to the previous lap was LOOOOONG gone.

    Second, the caution light clearly didn't come on until Wheldon passed Hildebrand. You can argue the caution light was late, but you can't argue the track lights weren't green when Wheldon passed. So whatever excuse officials would want to give for the late light is basically their prerogative.

    Just leave it at that. Wheldon passed under green....and the track took a little extra time to decide on going to caution due to the desire to finish under green, the position of the wreck, and the limited racing left (last turn of last lap)....whatever.... I mean, they don't really even have to explain why there was a delay going to yellow. The track went yellow when the track went yellow.

    Why complicate it with this wishy washy stuff? Half the reasoning starts calling into question how Hildebrand could even be credited with 2nd place if we're going down the road of saying a car must be able to go forward with all 4 wheels on it. Comments like that are just begging for a scenario they'll end up regretting one of these days (at Indy or somewhere else in the series).

    If Wheldon had not been close enough to pass Hildebrand before he skidded past the S/F line would Barnhart still say a car needs to get to the line with all 4 wheels on it under its own power? ....And not allow Hildebrand the win?

    Oh well... Fortunately Barnes is not going to raise a stink so that is good. Although behind closed doors some drivers and team owners should be seeking some black and white clarity on the rules and the situation that doesn't lead to contradictions. That question needs answered and it needs an answer consistent with Hildebrand being awarded 2nd place. They can't have it both ways... IMHO...
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    I just got home from Carb Day, and one of the things I noticed is that RHR was in the top 10 in the final speed charts in the last practice today. He might be a surprise on Sunday.


    This got what seemed to be the entire front stretch to all yell OOOOOHHHHHHHHHH in unison!
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    The team and spotter should've known whether he could afford to tip-toe around the lapped car... pull in behind him and slingshot out on the straight... whatever..... It's easy to blame the rookie but what info did his spotter give him?
    Exactly this and the high priced talent on top of the war wagon should have been keeping him advised of his "gap" back to the next car. His fear about losing momentum and a possible stutter getting out of and back into the gas (because of the low fuel state) is valid but, then, hindsight is always 20/20.
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    Keep in mind that Wheldon (with more fuel and fresher tires than JR) was FLYING those final laps. A couple laps earlier, there was a lot of us who thought that if JR and Dario ran out of fuel, it was going to be Scott Dixon taking the checkered. Apparently his fuel guy screwed up again though. For all we know, one of JR's spotters saw Wheldon flying and advised JR to keep on the gas.
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    One of the all-time greatest choke jobs in sports history. He's the 2007 New England Patriots of racing. A brilliant run ruined by total failure at the end.
    He's a rookie. Give me a break. He's 23 years old. He did what every other 23 year old in the world would have done right there, he took the only line he had and he went balls to the wall. No one has any right to say they would have done differently at this age or experience level.

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    Also, as I said in the other thread, IMO Kimball blew it. If you're that slow, and you know you have the leader coming up on you, it's completely ridiculous to force the leader to take the high line.

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