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    Buck's addressed this issue numerous times, but you have to have a coach in place during the lockout for a variety of reasons.

    Am I the only one who's first thought was "good for Frank"?
    Honestly, I want Frank to be the Pacers coach.

    But first and foremost, I like the guy, I think he's earned a head coaching job, and I want him to have a coaching job. It'll suck if it isn't with the Pacers...but at least he's got other options.

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    If Frank took less then a mill.....his agent should be smacked.........then fired

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    Larry Drew makes $1.3M and that is the lowest in the NBA.
    And Drew, albeit tenuously, had a weaker resume than Vogel when he signed his deal.

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    He's not a micromanager like Carlisle, he's not a negative, unconsolable coach like JOB, and he's not a piece of cr*p like Isaiah. What are we waiting for?

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    Less than a million a year for a head coaching job in the NBA? Insulting. I doubt that will happen.
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    Expecting "any" coach to put out locker room fires on a one year deal would be the equivalent of Barney Fife running around with his one bullet in his shirt pocket!

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    I've said it many times

    the Pacers will regret it if they don't re sign this guy.
    Because Frank will do good elsewhere? I hope he does good wherever he goes, but I hope the only reason they don't go with him is because they've found someone better. Only time will tell.

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    "...sources told ESPN.com that [Mavericks assistant coach Dwane] Casey and Boston Celtics assistant coach Lawrence Frank have emerged as two of Houston's most serious targets. Although it's believed that the Rockets have not yet narrowed their search to finalists, sources say they have made prior NBA head-coaching experience a prerequisite for the job."
    The article also mentions interviewing Vogel, and they've also interviewed others, but seems Casey is at the top of their list.
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    I'm beginning to think Pacers Digest will suffer a meltdown if Vogel isn't retained. There will be posters denouncing their fandom, only to return once the draft comes around.
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    I'm beginning to think Pacers Digest will suffer a meltdown if Vogel isn't retained. There will be posters denouncing their fandom, only to return once the draft comes around.

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    I'm beginning to think Pacers Digest will suffer a meltdown if Vogel isn't retained. There will be posters denouncing their fandom, only to return once the draft comes around.
    You act as though that's different than anytime a decision of any kind is made. The people who don't like it usually blow up.

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    I found it enjoyable that the Rockets have interviewed multiple head coaches, but PTI chose to talk about Vogel interviewing for Rockets job today.

    Wilbon said he thought both teams had good rosters and called it about even

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    So if it was your money you would just throw it away and give it to a guy to sit on his *** for a year during the lockout? If I was in charge I might sign Vogel to a one year 50k deal and have incetives in it that say if basketball is played he will get another 450K. I honestly dont think b ball will be played next year it is gonna be super ugly especially if the Heat win.
    I don't want to pick on your listed age, but please get some more experience in real world dealings with businesses and people in general (on a professional level) before thinking something like you've suggested would have a chance in heck of getting you anything other than laughed at.

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    No one ever talks about the good of guaranteed deals. If you got someone that is good or great.... You get to keep him without having him hold out for more money.
    That's why I always hated the whining about the length of the JO/Tins/etc deals.

    If those guys were Jordan and Pippen and you signed them for 2 years only to see Miami or NY snatch them up you'd look like an idiot.

    Giving Kobe or Lebron a "lifetime" deal would be considered the smart thing. It's only when a guy struggles that the deal suddenly becomes a bad idea.

    Like anything you just need to be smart and lucky, and you can't confuse unlucky with dumb if you are criticizing from the outside. Maybe TPTB should have known better than to personally trust those guys, maybe we caught a bad break when JO's knee went the wrong direction, but there was a time when they were 2-2 vs Detroit in the ECF coming off a revenge drubbing of the Pistons at the Palace (83-68) with home court advantage through the Finals that those long term deals looked like a monster dynasty in the making and no one was saying they were mistakes.
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    Don't expect any resolution to Vogel's situation in the very immediate future. The wifey flew off to FL today and Frank and his family were on the same plane.

    Don't know quite what it means in terms of salary he earned or will command, but for those wanting to know, he flew coach, like us regular guys and gals.

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    Don't expect any resolution to Vogel's situation in the very immediate future. The wifey flew off to FL today and Frank and his family were on the same plane.

    Don't know quite what it means in terms of salary he earned or will command, but for those wanting to know, he flew coach, like us regular guys and gals.
    Probably taking a vacation.

    As for the immediate future, Larry would not have any trouble hiring him over the phone. (grin)

    However, even if Bird comes back and hires him it will still take awhile. Bird wants to interview other people for the job. Vogel will still get the last interview. I think it's then Bird will either hire him or tell him he's going to hire someone else.

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    Looks like Vogel is not among the three finalists

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    Commentary

    McHale an intriguing gamble if Morey's willing to roll the dice

    By RICHARD JUSTICE
    Copyright 2011 Houston Chronicle

    When Rockets general manager Daryl Morey is asked about the qualities he's looking for in a head coach, he almost always begins with the same simple phrase.

    "A leader of men."
    If that's true, this will be an especially tough hire for someone who believes data — that is, data collected, studied and interpreted - offers the best assessment for rosters, strategy, coaching, etc.

    If that's true, this will be an especially tough hire for someone who believes data - that is, data collected, studied and interpreted - offers the best assessment for rosters, strategy, coaching, etc.

    Problem is, there may not be enough data on earth to measure leadership and to figure out why some men can lead a group of men and others can't.

    With the Rockets' search for a new coach focused on three finalists - Lawrence Frank, Dwane Casey and Kevin McHale - Morey's ultimate recommendation to owner Leslie Alexander might not come down to something that shows up on a spreadsheet.

    I'm guessing Morey's head - and his spreadsheet - are telling him to hire Frank, a Celtics assistant who has far more head coaching experience than the other two candidates combined and is respected around the NBA for his preparation, organization and intelligence.
    Frank, 40, led the Nets to four playoff appearances and seems to be something of a Jeff Van Gundy clone in the thoroughness and seriousness with which he approaches the job. He compiled a 225-241 record as a head coach. Alexander's first two coaching hires were Van Gundy and Rick Adelman, so he clearly values experience.

    Casey, 54, would also be a conventional hire. He's a longtime NBA guy and highly regarded. He's only 53-69 in his time as a head coach, but he was put in a tough situation with the Timberwolves.

    'An NBA survivor'

    He also coached in Japan for five years and worked as an assistant for George Karl and Nate McMillan before joining Rick Carlisle's staff in Dallas. He's an NBA survivor, a favorite of almost everyone who knows him. His range of experience leaves few holes in his résumé .
    And there's McHale.

    He's the tough call. He's the unusual call. He's the guy who could make a general manager look brilliant. Or get him fired.

    When Morey parted ways with Adelman, he understood he might have been putting his job on the line. Bringing Adelman back would have been the safe move.

    "But," Morey said, "why have this job if you're not willing to take a chance?"

    Hiring McHale would be taking a huge chance. He's 53 and has little head coaching experience - 39-55 during two interim stints with the Timberwolves.

    His coaching work has received much kinder reviews than his work as a general manager, but McHale hasn't distinguished himself in either job. In an interesting twist, it was his poor decisions as a general manager that doomed him to fail as a coach.

    When McHale was fired by the Timberwolves two years ago, some thought he might retreat to his Minnesota cabin and never return. Now he's tanned, rested and ready to give it another go, and even though there are about eight dozen really good reasons not to hire him, he has something that may be more important than all the X's and O's in the world combined.

    McHale has presence. He's 6-10 and carries himself with the confidence of a guy who was a three-time NBA champion and one of the league's 50 best players ever.

    He has people skills, too, and is instantly likable and relentlessly positive. As a coach, he excelled as a teacher of fundamentals and was highly regarded by his players.

    The thing that makes him a risk is that most of his NBA experience has been as a player or front-office executive. But his buddy, Larry Bird, was a successful head coach because he understood the things he didn't know. He surrounded himself with people to help with scouting reports, strategy and the like.

    Alexander gets final say

    Bird brought to the table an impressive résumé and an understanding of what players want. McHale could be like that. His force of personality and experience as a star player make him an intriguing candidate.

    He's exactly the kind of unconventional candidate who might appeal to an unconventional general manager. He could also chase Morey right back to computer lab.

    Ultimately, the decision will be Alexander's. His previous coaching hires were safe choices, and McHale would be anything but.

    The Rockets have missed the playoffs for two straight years, but with salary-cap room, two first-round draft picks and a nice core of vet-erans, Morey will for the first time have an opportunity to upgrade the roster.

    He has been fearless about taking chances on players in his four years on the job. Is he willing to gamble on a coach as well? In the end, that's what this search ap-pears to have come down to.
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    With the Rockets' search for a new coach focused on three finalists - Lawrence Frank, Dwane Casey and Kevin McHale - Morey's ultimate recommendation to owner Leslie Alexander might not come down to something that shows up on a spreadsheet.
    I don't think it is any surprise that Vogel is no longer being considered. If he's getting a head job this summer, it's going to be here. He just doesn't have the pedigree yet to warrant serious consideration for a different organization. I'd question if he has the pedigree to warrant serious consideration from this organization, but the Vogelphiles will obviously disagree. If he doesn't get this job, which I don't believe he will, he'll more than likely get a lead assistant role with a bigger name head coach in a different city.

    This is a few days old, and may have already been mentioned, but I haven't seen it.

    I think the bigger news is Mike Brown removing his name from the hat for the Rockets' job. It would not surprise me one bit if he's holding out for the Pacers' job, knowing that the Pacers will give him a very hard look. I'm going to make an educated guess, and say Brown is the clear front runner to be the next Pacers' head coach.

    http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat...ith-ric-bucher

    Seeing these Frank Vogel - Houston reports floating around, do you think the Pacers move in and make an offer to him? Or is this indicative that the Pacers are looking elsewhere?

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    From what i've heard, Frank is not at the top of their list, even though it seems likely that Bird is staying. Hard to see Houston jumping out on Vogel -- competition isn't that stiff. Rockets were hoping Stan Van Gundy would get bounced (or let's say some people were pushing the Rockets hard to go after SVG if he got bounced) but the latest I've heard is that Dwane Casey is a strong option with Mike Brown taking himself out of the running.

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    I don't think it is any surprise that Vogel is no longer being considered. If he's getting a head job this summer, it's going to be here. He just doesn't have the pedigree yet to warrant serious consideration for a different organization. I'd question if he has the pedigree to warrant serious consideration from this organization, but the Vogelphiles will obviously disagree. If he doesn't get this job, which I don't believe he will, he'll more than likely get a lead assistant role with a bigger name head coach in a different city.

    This is a few days old, and may have already been mentioned, but I haven't seen it.

    I think the bigger news is Mike Brown removing his name from the hat for the Rockets' job. It would not surprise me one bit if he's holding out for the Pacers' job, knowing that the Pacers will give him a very hard look. I'm going to make an educated guess, and say Brown is the clear front runner to be the next Pacers' head coach.

    http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat...ith-ric-bucher
    Yes, I see Vogel getting a nice pay increase and clearly being a lead assistant somewhere.

    Interesting that even if Bird stays Vogel is not the guy Bird wants to be the head coach.

    Reading between the lines it appears Mike Brown is the guy - I am more than fine with that. And he'll bring in his own assistants. Wonder if Vogel would be a candidate for that under brown here.
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    OK, so Bucher is saying that Brown has taken himself out of the running for the Rockets job? Just a little confusing, is he saying that Vogel is not the frontrunner to get the job here?
    Bucher is saying that Brown removed himself from the Rocket's head coaching race. He is also saying that Vogel is not at the top of the Pacers' candidate list.

    So yes, he's saying both things.

    Here's the only other thing I could find that mentions it, and it quotes the same chat from Bucher.

    http://www.iamagm.com/news/2011/05/0...coach.position

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    Mike Brown has officially dropped out of the race for the Houston Rockets head coaching job. Brown, who lead the Cleveland Cavaliers to two straight 60 win seasons from 2008-2010, is also being considered by the Golden State Warriors and Indiana Pacers for their head coaching positions. The Rockets were very high on Brown, but they now have to look elswhere for a head coach.

    According to Ric Bucher from ESPN.com:

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    Seeing these Frank Vogel - Houston reports floating around, do you think the Pacers move in and make an offer to him? Or is this indicative that the Pacers are looking elsewhere?

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    From what i've heard, Frank is not at the top of their list, even though it seems likely that Bird is staying. Hard to see Houston jumping out on Vogel -- competition isn't that stiff. Rockets were hoping Stan Van Gundy would get bounced (or let's say some people were pushing the Rockets hard to go after SVG if he got bounced) but the latest I've heard is that Dwane Casey is a strong option with Mike Brown taking himself out of the running.

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    What are the possible reasons he dropped out of getting the Rockets job when it appeared as though that is who the Rockets wanted. Mackey - I think you are correct probably means he wants to come here. Unless Brown thinks he is a strong candidate for the Lakers job. Nothing keeping the Lakers from letting Brown know that he is on their short list.

    or maybe Brown has decided he wants to take another year off. I doubt that though.

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    That Laker job would look pretty enticing too.
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    I can't see the Lakers considering Brown, but if they do, that will change things for him entirely.

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    Mackey, I think your read on things is on point.

    I do wonder where some of the outlier candidates like the Rifleman (Person) and Dwane Casey sit in Bird's mind?

    If Mike Brown is seriously interested in this job, that gives a fan like me a tinge of a good feeling that he passed on the Rockets opportunity to prioritize this job.

    I continue to pray that we really do a thorough interview process that involves the players and considers at least 3-4 options in addition to Vogel.

    Love what Vogel did, but not foolhardy to look myopically at our options because of this.

    If Vogel passes this level of comparison, then I'm totally supportive and happy to see him here. IMO, a lot of signs point to him not getting the job. Would love to see him continuing to be a part of the team though.

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    So wait, this whole line of speculation is based on Bucher's chats?

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    I've seen Frank's work up close. He's very impressive. If the Pacers change their front office, which I'm hearing they are likely to do, then it would stand to reason that the new regime would want to select the coach. But Vogel is as solid and composed in huddles as any coach I've seen. He's made a few questionable decisions, but he deserves a shot at being more than an interim. If not in Indy, somewhere else.
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    From what i've heard, Frank is not at the top of their list, even though it seems likely that Bird is staying. Hard to see Houston jumping out on Vogel -- competition isn't that stiff. Rockets were hoping Stan Van Gundy would get bounced (or let's say some people were pushing the Rockets hard to go after SVG if he got bounced) but the latest I've heard is that Dwane Casey is a strong option with Mike Brown taking himself out of the running.
    Granted, things might have changed in between the chats, but you'd think a journalist would acknowledge that. I'm seriously wondering where Bucher is hearing these things.

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