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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Vogel interviewed by Rockets (Update post #91 - Vogel no longer a candidate

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  • #16
    Re: Vogel interviewed by Houston Rockets

    Originally posted by Evan_The_Dude View Post
    I just hope we see the value in him. Because other teams obviously do..
    Apparently the same amount as Kelvin Sampson

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    • #17
      Re: Vogel interviewed by Houston Rockets

      It would suck if Bird is back and doesn't hire the guy that saved his job.
      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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      • #18
        Re: Vogel interviewed by Houston Rockets

        We better make up our minds quickly.
        Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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        • #19
          Re: Vogel interviewed by Houston Rockets

          I am going to be pretty pissed if we let someone else snag Coach Vogel and we twiddle our thumbs.

          The last half of this season and our postseason showed us that he *IS* the man for *THIS* team. Are there more experienced people we could bring in? Of course.

          But I am firmly convinced that Coach Vogel is the perfect fit for our organization and young team.

          We need to get this **** DONE. NOW!

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          • #20
            Re: Vogel interviewed by Houston Rockets

            Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
            extending Vogel before the lockout to me is stupid just kind of a waste of money if we are locked out.
            Buck's addressed this issue numerous times, but you have to have a coach in place during the lockout for a variety of reasons.

            Am I the only one who's first thought was "good for Frank"?
            "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

            - Salman Rushdie

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            • #21
              Re: Vogel interviewed by Houston Rockets

              So, do we get to break out the torches and pitchforks and march on the Fieldhouse if Bird and Simon dilly-dally around and Frank gets scooped up because of it?
              "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

              "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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              • #22
                Re: Vogel interviewed by Houston Rockets

                The front page of IndyStar.com is making this a pretty big deal.

                Vogel pretty much flat out stated this is where he wants to coach. This is where his family is situated and he loves the players and the organization and the players love playing for him.

                The issue with the FO is they wait a while.

                I'm not counting on anything being a big deal with Houston however. They probably just wanted to hear what he had to say.

                Now if he gets a second interview, I might be concerned with that.

                Thank God tomorrow's Friday and lets make up our minds.
                Last edited by Trophy; 05-05-2011, 10:53 PM.

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                • #23
                  Re: Vogel interviewed by Houston Rockets

                  The Rockets have interviewed something like a dozen guys. This is going to be a long, long process of dwindling down candidates for them. Bird said Frank gets the first and last interview. Bird and Simon are meeting tomorrow.

                  We're not losing out on Coach Frank because Bird and Simon are screwing around. Chill out. I like him a lot and want him back but some of you are acting like he's Red Auerbach or something.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Vogel interviewed by Houston Rockets

                    Right on melli. I hope he gets the job to be honest. That way I feel better about going in a different direction. I hope the negotiating between Bird and Simon is over quickly. They both seem to be agreeable and rational men. Some may disagree.

                    Bird makes this franchise a better franchise. His talent evaluations have helped us tremendously. And his iconic "Legend", doesn't hurt. Anything we can do to bring more attention to the Pacers, the better. Our franchise needs it. We need to become a profitable franchise through this new CBA and team growth. With the rumblings of moving franchises around more easily, I would hate for our small market to be a target. Let Indiana keep its basketball.
                    "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                    • #25
                      Re: Vogel interviewed by Houston Rockets

                      Why do you guys keep saying Bird & Simon are going to meet on "Friday" when it's not happening until Tuesday!?

                      Originally posted by IndyStar, bottom of Pacer players expect lockout article
                      Bird-Simon meeting next week

                      Pacers president Larry Bird will fly to California to meet with owner Herb Simon on Tuesday.

                      Simon has said he wants Bird to return, but Bird is looking to resolve some financial and personnel issues.
                      Last edited by Roaming Gnome; 05-05-2011, 11:35 PM.
                      ...Still "flying casual"
                      @roaminggnome74

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                      • #26
                        Re: Vogel interviewed by Houston Rockets

                        Originally posted by Trophy View Post
                        Tomorrow's Friday and that's when the official meeting between Bird and Simon is supposed to be held.

                        Hopefully things are effectively done especially giving Vogel an extension.

                        This meeting with Houston doesn't mean anything. I'm sure Houston knows that Vogel is more than likely returning to be our coach, but were just interested to hear what he had to say.
                        I heard on 1070 today that Simon will meet Bird in Los Angeles on Monday at 10 AM.

                        I hope Bird and Simon come out of the meeting on the same page with Bird continuing in his present role... or even President/GM as far as I'm concerned. The sooner Bird re-ups, the sooner we can get Vogel on board.

                        I've thought about Bird saying that Vogel would get the first interview and also last interview. If you really think about it, if he only interviewed Vogel, I suppose that would be a true statement, right?

                        A coach like Vogel is hard to find. He's a "player's coach", having developed a very good raport with his players. He got them to consistently perform in the final stretch of the season and in the playoffs. In fact, they delivered on what he stated he wanted... a "smashmouth" team.

                        I say give him 3 years and one or two additional players through trades or FA and let's see what he can do.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Vogel interviewed by Houston Rockets

                          As Gnome said, Bird and Simon will meet Tuesday, not tomorrow.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Vogel interviewed by Houston Rockets

                            As for the story, good for Frank, honestly. It's further validation that he's a worthy hire as far as I'm concerned.

                            An interview doesn't mean he's out the door, so I'm not viewing this as any sign that he's done with the Pacers.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Vogel interviewed by Houston Rockets

                              Considering Frank's accomplishments with our 2nd half a season left in Indiana after OB half gutted it, the man is a pretty shiny gem out there. Good for him. He deserves recognition for what he did. Much love Frank.
                              Follow me at @Bluejbgold

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                              • #30
                                Re: Vogel interviewed by Houston Rockets

                                I will be mad as **** if we don't hire Vogel to be honest.. and if that happens , I am more than willing to meet up/carpool with a bunch of you guys to picket Conseco ..
                                Matter of fact, to me , it sounds like a great idea for us to right now, start a "HIRE VOGEL" campaign online , as well as organizing something where maybe we could get at least a few hundred outside in front of The Fieldhouse , with our hire Vogel signs..
                                I can guarantee you this, if we could have a successful turnout ,(with some well placed calls ) I know we could make it on WTHR , WISHTV , as well as the rest of the Indiana news stations. and in essence force the hand of the Pacer's front office to act..
                                Wouldn't that be something?

                                All those in favor, Let's do this folks..

                                I would venture to say , that if we got the word out, that we could most definitely get quite a few Pacers players to show up..

                                I ask , What Say You?

                                .
                                "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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