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    Next move? in In:
    If Memphis is looking to cut salary AND keep the current style of play, wouldnt a trade of Gay and Mayo for Granger, Rush and/or 15th pick this year make sense? Memphis saves money and gets a cheaper second option in Granger. Indy gets more talent.


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    I'd have to look at the salaries, but I don't know that that's cutting a whole lot of salary. You're probably looking at fewer years left on the Granger deal, which is what you're referring to. But whatever. Forget the money thing for a minute, and just looking at the basketball aspect of it I think it makes a lot of sense for both teams. We know Indy wants Mayo b/c they already traded for him once (but didn't trade for him in time), and they've got the money they're willing to spend on a free agent who's never going to come and play there. Grabbing Gay's long-term deal forces a solid player that way. Him plus Mayo makes Indiana EXTREMELY formidable next season... like, one of the best young cores in the league formidable... and Memphis saves some money, keeps their entire starting lineup from this year's great playoffs, and adds Granger, a decent pick, and you could even throw Josh McBob in there, too. Why not?

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    What doesn't make sense to you?

    Rudy Gay + Mayo

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    Granger + 15th Pick

    The only reason why it doesn't makes sense is that I don't see much of an upgrade in Rudy Gay to Granger and therefore why the Pacers do it in the 1st Place. Sure...Mayo is great to get...but at the price of taking on a slightly younger Rudy Gay who has a bigger and longer contract?

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    This would be a tough one to pass up.

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    Wow, I don't know. We will have the youngest core, and a really promising one too.
    But...
    Do we really need George, Gay and Mayo? They're 21, 24 and 23. Are we supposed to have so many young wings who are still developing their game? I can't really call that optimal.
    I would honestly rather do a George+Picks for Gay than this trade. I still have to think about this trade.
    This is really interesting.
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    This would be a tough one to pass up.
    Grangers contract is reasonable for his production but Gay's isn't. He is owed 15 next year and it goes up to 19 mill in 2015. Also mayo only has one more year on his contract as well so what if he doesn't resign?

    I don't think the deal makes a whole lot of sense personally.

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    Didn't realize he was being paid that much. That makes it tougher.

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    They have almost identical stats, and i dont see roughly 3 million per year more just to have a slightly younger version of Danny worth it.

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    Gay is younger and better than Danny, so yes sign me up

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    Getting Gay is basically having Granger before he made his MIP step. If Gay takes this step and stays with it, he's a superstar. This is our chance of getting one. This is a risk, question is whether we take it.

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    I would say no just because of the money issue. I rather sign a FA or two than use a few more Million for a guy that will play around the same as Granger. Also the George plus pick for Gay is also a bad deal, George has the potential to be a top notch player in this league and just cannot be traded in my opinion, we would get way less value for him.

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    They have almost identical stats, and i dont see roughly 3 million per year more just to have a slightly younger version of Danny worth it.
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    Gay is younger and better than Danny, so yes sign me up
    Read the post I've quoted other than yours. The two players are VERY similar, with the statistical edge going to Granger, along with Granger having a much cheaper contract. Do you still feel the same?

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    Rudy Gay is what we all hope and dream Paul George will become. Not to mention we'd be getting everyones man-crush O.J. Mayo. If Bird were to pass this up he'd be a damn fool.

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    Gay is a little over 2 years younger, but he's only been the league 1 year less than Danny. I was a big supporter of Rudy, and lately not so much of Danny, but this feels like making a deal just to make a deal. If we want Mayo, and I dont. Just offer up some cap space and some type of pick, like they wanted in the first place.

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    Rudy Gay is what we all hope and dream Paul George will become. Not to mention we'd be getting everyones man-crush O.J. Mayo. If Bird were to pass this up he'd be a damn fool.
    I guess I just dream bigger than most of us then.

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    Getting Gay is basically having Granger before he made his MIP step. If Gay takes this step and stays with it, he's a superstar.
    Sorry but Gay is younger and IMO already better than Granger. He made his "MIP step" last year. Maybe you haven't watched him play or have the bias since Memphis stepped up without him? I'd have to think long and hard but my initial reaction is "Yes please!"

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    Does this address either of the two main needs of the team?

    First/Second scorer and banger down low?

    If not, does it leave money to address these issues or hamper you.

    If you think its a net gain from a talent and longevity standpoint, but if it keeps you from doing the other things you need to do moving forward, I don't know.

    With that said, I agree Rudy Gay is big time with room to keep getting better. I don't think I can say that about Danny. Although I think Danny will get smarter, I think Gays ceiling is pretty high.

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    I guess I just dream bigger than most of us then.
    I was thinking the same thing.. George will be easily better than Danny, and Gay is barely better than Granger.. So I think George will be better than both of them for sure. Never underestimate hard work when paired with skill.

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    Sorry but Gay is younger and IMO already better than Granger. He made his "MIP step" last year. Maybe you haven't watched him play or have the bias since Memphis stepped up without him? I'd have to think long and hard but my initial reaction is "Yes please!"
    But do you think he's 29 million better than Danny?

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    I like this trade, but I'm still very iffy on Gay. He's a great player, one of my favorites, but I'm not sure of the degree he'd make the team better. If we got a future pick, that'd be nice, but I don't think we can be too greedy if we were making this move. If nothing else, we could move Gay for a better piece before his contract takes a leap, in the event that George gets significantly better by then.

    I'm still on the fence with this trade, though.
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    I hate to trade Granger after watching him in this year's playoff, but we're talking about RUDY GAY!! Before he got hurt, I seriously doubt we could've traded for him with just Granger and Rush, but right now we're talking about getting Gay AND Mayo with just Granger and Rush/#15!! I don't see how you can pass that up (unless Gay's salary somehow impedes our chances of signing Hibbert/DC/PG in the future..)!! Granted, this is just an idea from someone's chat, but if this deal is on the table, I'd do it.

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    Rudy Gay is what we all hope and dream Paul George will become. Not to mention we'd be getting everyones man-crush O.J. Mayo. If Bird were to pass this up he'd be a damn fool.
    IMO gay is a two much like Granger. He doesn't address the real problem of a closer and he gets paid alot more to be a number 2 guy.

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    Sorry but Gay is younger and IMO already better than Granger. He made his "MIP step" last year. Maybe you haven't watched him play or have the bias since Memphis stepped up without him? I'd have to think long and hard but my initial reaction is "Yes please!"
    If you put in Rudy Gay vs Danny Granger in a Google search you get 10 different forums comparing the two and asking who would you rather have. Almost all of them consider Danny the more talented, although a less athletic player.

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    I'm a Granger apologist. I have no shame in that either. He's easily my favorite current Pacers player. I still have to agree that Rudy Gay is slightly better than Danny. I think that Rudy's athleticism and ability to attack the rim is better than Danny's.

    They both are good 3-point shooters but Danny gets the nod there but Rudy hit 39.6% of his attempts this past season.

    Rudy is a much better defender as evidenced during the 2010 WBC where Danny was outplayed and essentially benched because of him. Rudy averaged 1.7 steals per game and 1.1 blocks. His perimeter defense is excellent.

    Overall, Danny is the better scorer but Rudy is the better defender.

    Money-wise is where the decision gets much easier to make. Rudy isn't a max contract player but will be paid like one for the next 4 seasons.

    The Pacers have 2 good perimeter defenders in George and Jones - that's not as big a need as scoring is, IMO. The Pacers should keep Danny and try to add a scorer through free agency.

    The only players I could agree with trading Danny for are Eric Gordon, Steph Curry, or Monta Ellis because the Pacers won't lose out in the scoring department and they would gain a guy that can create his own shot off the dribble.

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    But do you think he's 29 million better than Danny?
    Just to expand on what you're saying, below is the breakdown of how much Rudy is owed ( compared to Granger ):

    Rudy Gay's Contract:

    2011-2012 - $15.03 mil
    2012-2013 - $16.46 mil
    2012-2013 - $17.88 mil
    2012-2013 - $19.31 ( Player Option )

    Total Owed over the next 4 seasons - $68.68 mil Guaranteed

    Granger's Contract:

    2011-2012 - $12.02 mil
    2012-2013 - $13.06 mil
    2012-2013 - $14.02 mil

    Total Owed over the next 4 seasons - $39.1 mil Guaranteed

    Not only is Rudy owed $29 mil more in guaranteed Salary, his contract is longer and easily adds $3 mil in Salary over the next 3 seasons.

    The question is....is Rudy that much better then Granger that he is worth paying that much more?

    My answer is no. I'd rather keep Granger at his current Salary, make a run at Mayo WITH a TPE+1st offer and use that $3 mil per season in Salary saved ( that would have gone towards a Granger for Rudy trade ) towards a PF or some other Player that we need.
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    What doesn't make sense to you?

    Rudy Gay + Mayo

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    Granger + 15th Pick

    The only reason why it doesn't makes sense is that I don't see much of an upgrade in Rudy Gay to Granger and therefore why the Pacers do it in the 1st Place. Sure...Mayo is great to get...but at the price of taking on a slightly younger Rudy Gay who has a bigger and longer contract?

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    What doesn't make sense to you?

    Rudy Gay + Mayo

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    Granger + 15th Pick

    The only reason why it doesn't makes sense is that I don't see much of an upgrade in Rudy Gay to Granger and therefore why the Pacers do it in the 1st Place. Sure...Mayo is great to get...but at the price of taking on a slightly younger Rudy Gay who has a bigger and longer contract?

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    Also , wasnt the reason Rudy played over Granger at the World Finals because LB thought he was better?
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