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    Tyler + 15th pick for Varejao. Does either side say no?

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    I know it's a good trade because I'm really torn. Ultimately I accept it if Varejao can log 30-35 minutes a game at the 4. But is he a 4? I consider him more of a 5. Does that matter? I don't know.

    Does Cleveland do the trade? Maybe. Hickson and Tyler play the same position. Neither is a 5 and neither is a 3. It depends how much they value the 15th pick. AV is a fan favorite, but I'm sure they wouldn't mind shedding his salary.

    I wish I had more to say about this, but I don't feel strongly enough in either direction. It's a gamble. If PG improves and we can rely on him for 15 a game next season, you probably have to do it. And I'm looking for an excuse to re-sign McRoberts anyway.

    Part of me wonders if giving up nothing and signing Dalembert would be a better move though.

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    I thought Dalembert was a 5.

    And I'd prefer to give up Josh, Brandon, and 15 for Varejao but I'm sure Cleveland would rather have Tyler.

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    I like the Dalembert idea over trading Tyler and a pick. I dont know if we can get any body good in the draft at 15, but I think we can trade the pick and maybe another Pick for OJ Mayo. If we can trade for Mayo and sign Dalembert and possibly a guy like Jamal Crawford or JR. Smith I think we would be sitting pretty. I havnt been keeping up with who resigned and I dont know all the fine print details of the free agents, but the players I am going to mention are at least scheduled to come into free agency. My wish list, would probibly never happen but here it is.
    We trade 2 or 3 draft picks(future or watever) for OJ Mayo. We now have a quality starter at the 2 who can create his own shot. We sign Jamal Crawford or JR. Smith. Either One of them give us a quality Bench player at the 2 backing up Mayo. That allows granger to play the 3 with paul george playing back up at the 3. We sign either David West or Ne'ne(if neither possible Louis Amundson). And Sign Dalembert(I dont think his price would be too hefty.) I dont know how much money it would run us, but we have alot coming off. If we could Pick up 4 players with that much it be great.
    Starters: Hibbert,(West/Ne'ne/Amundsom), Granger, Mayo, Collison.
    Bench: Dalembert, Tyler, Paul George, (Jr Smith/Jamal Crawford) AJ Price(Id like to see Lance tho) If this was possible to pull off, I think we are a legit contender.(more so if we got west or NeNe opposed to amundson.)
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    Am I the only one who thinks we're overvaluing Varejao a little bit? Maybe it's just that I don't like him but I've never felt he was worth a first rounder.

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    I like Varejao a lot, but I wouldn't want to give up Hansbrough for him. We do have the ability to straight up absorb his contract into our cap space, and throw in sweetener like a pick, so that should be an enticing enough option for Cleveland.

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    After everything Tyler has brought to our franchise (consistent toughness and heart) and with how its spread through our team, I would hate to trade him, let alone to the Cavs.

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    I would think the 15th pick and the cap relief would get it done. But who knows where Cleveland is at. They have put feelers out there that everyone is available for picks. I'm sure no one wants to pay Jamison what he makes to eb a backup PF. He is still solid but his defense gets worse by the minute.

    Baron Davis has a big contract that they took on to get a top ten pick. This is weird because Diddy has talent, but his contract is ridiculous. A rebuilding Cleveland took on a lot of money to get a top ten pick. I still think Baron is better than Mo, but typically teams rebuilding want to shed salary.

    The Cavs weren't nearly as bad as people want to suggest. Cleveland's two best players were hurt most of the year. Antawn was playing with a bunch of second round draft choices for 3/4 of the season. I just don't have a clue what direction Cleveland is heading.

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    Hmm, that might be an interesting alternative. #15 for Varejao and Jamison. Adding a lot more talent in exchange for the pick and cap relief.

    Of course, that leaves Tyler as our 3rd PF for next year....

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    I'd just buy Jamison out, or see if he could be traded.

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    I'd just buy Jamison out, or see if he could be traded.
    He expires, and is an inside scorer, which is something we need... why buy him out?

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    He expires, and is an inside scorer, which is something we need... why buy him out?
    Jamison is an inside scorer?

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    Jamison is an inside scorer?
    He's closer to "inside scorer" than the PFs we've had this season

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    Jamison is an inside scorer?
    no at this stage of his career he is a shooter

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    He expires, and is an inside scorer, which is something we need... why buy him out?
    Because he doesn't play defense and he'd take minutes from Hans, Hibbert, and Varejao.

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    Anybody know the details of why Varejao sat out almost the entire season? I know he was hiatus after the death of his grandfather and something about his back, but not 51 games bad. Info?
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    Anybody know the details of why Varejao sat out almost the entire season? I know he was hiatus after the death of his grandfather and something about his back, but not 51 games bad. Info?
    He was injured

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    He was injured
    I Know lol, thats why I said and his back. But last I checked it was back spasms, but sureley that wouldn't put him out for 50+ games.
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    I Know lol, thats why I said and his back. But last I checked it was back spasms, but sureley that wouldn't put him out for 50+ games.
    no it wasnt back spams lol it was his ankle he tore some ligments if i remember right had to have some major surgry.

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    no it wasnt back spams lol it was his ankle he tore some ligments if i remember right had to have some major surgry.
    I know he was out for some back spasms for a bit after he Grandpa died, I didn't know about the ankle though. thanks.
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    That'd give Cleveland 3 picks in the top 15, one of them "should" be in the top 2. If they really want to jumpstart a rebuild...

    I think Tyler AND the pick is a bit much though, and just the pick and absorbing salary doesn't seem like enough for Cleveland.

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    I don't trade Tyler and a 1st for Varejao.

    We have to remember this practically Tyler's first season, and he put up pretty good numbers once he got a chance under Vogel. Played really well Game 1 of the playoffs, and I still think that elbow from Kurt Thomas had lingering effects.

    However the Pacers use their 1st round pick, I hope they use it wisely.

    I actually hope they're able to use it, b/c the NFL lockout didn't allow teams to trade players for picks, only picks for picks

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