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  • #46
    Re: Kravitz end of the season sit down with Bird..

    Originally posted by Hicks View Post
    The 'so what if he blows up' argument doesn't work IMO. You have to remember the only reason they would put up with him is because they believe he's talented enough to become an important member of this team. He won't stay the 12th man forever.
    Absolutely agree. What's in play is Walsh always wanted to be competitive while Bird isn't satisfied unless you're playing for a championship. Obviously he feels there are very few current Pacers that can attain that goal. He put's Stephenson and George in the can talent range.
    You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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    • #47
      Re: Kravitz end of the season sit down with Bird..

      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
      I see Lance's considerably talent. he's got a great NBA body and true point guard skills that put Collison and Price to shame
      Let's say Lance gets past his off-court issues and truly does pan out. Who would you compare his game to? I'm having trouble coming up with a decent comparison.

      Lance may have an NBA body, but that sort of strong, thick frame is usually not associated with NBA guards.

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      • #48
        Re: Kravitz end of the season sit down with Bird..

        The fact that I want Frank Vogel back, makes me want Bird back too.

        The fact that Bird is this much in love with Lance, that he ignores the fact that his teammates can't stand him, he's screwed up 4 times already..shows a side of Bird that the Jim O'brien thing showed. He's stubborn. Possibly too stubborn for the team's good.

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        • #49
          Re: Kravitz end of the season sit down with Bird..

          Originally posted by RWB View Post
          Absolutely agree. What's in play is Walsh always wanted to be competitive while Bird isn't satisfied unless you're playing for a championship. Obviously he feels there are very few current Pacers that can attain that goal. He put's Stephenson and George in the can talent range.
          Tyreke Evans.
          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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          • #50
            Re: Kravitz end of the season sit down with Bird..

            Originally posted by PR07 View Post
            I don't necessarily agree with this. Reggie was unique because he was one of the best, if not thee best player in recent NBA history, in coming off screens and shooting curl jumpers. You simply couldn't defend it without giving him enough time to get a good look off. Even if we set screens for Danny like this, he wouldn't be nearly as effective because that's not his skill-set. So what does that leave us in terms of plays for Danny?

            The problem with Danny is that his skill-set is between a good shooter and a good one on one player (but he's not great at either). He's not Ray Allen, but he's not Kobe one one one either (very few are). That's why I think its hard to make him the go-to guy. I don't think he's a guy you set "Reggie screens" for, and he's not a guy you can just give the ball, iso, a al Derrick Rose, and simply say "take them".

            That handoff DC gave to and led to a 3 late in the last game by DG was pretty sweet. Danny's a pretty darn good shooter.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVVWzM8hV0I

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            • #51
              Re: Kravitz end of the season sit down with Bird..

              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post

              true point guard skills that put Collison and Price to shame

              Wow, you could see that in the few games Stephenson played! You NEVER once made any type of statement like this during the season in any threads or debates about Stephenson. Why the revelation of your feelings now??

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              • #52
                Re: Kravitz end of the season sit down with Bird..

                [QUOTE=Thingfish;1226949]

                The main one being that Lance isn't our most important player. /QUOTE]


                Neither was Shawne Williams. He still hurt the Pacers with his bad PR.

                What some don't seem to get is that the average Indiana citizen who isn't a diehard fan still associates the Pacers as thugs. They don't understand those players are gone now, so if Stephenson creates a PR nightmare those citizens see the SOS with the Pacers. How many times have I been told by people that they haven't followed the Pacers since the fight in Detroit,
                and all the player off the court problems. They got fed up with "THOSE" Pacers, and aren't interested in the team anymore. Nothing proves this out more than the loss in attendance.

                It irrates the stuffings out of me to read posters say I don't care about the player causing problems as long as we win. That attitude is nothing more than selfishness to get an end result with disregard to the potential harm to your so called beloved Pacers. It's hard to overcome a bad reputation once you have one. It takes time with NO MORE PR PROBLEMS. That's right NO MORE PR PROBLEMS.

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                • #53
                  Re: Kravitz end of the season sit down with Bird..

                  Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                  What some don't seem to get is that the average Indiana citizen who isn't a diehard fan still associates the Pacers as thugs. They don't understand those players are gone now, so if Stephenson creates a PR nightmare those citizens see the SOS with the Pacers.
                  .
                  Sounds like someone who has no interest in the Pacers one way or another and probably has not purchased a ticket since Reggie retired.
                  You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                  • #54
                    Re: Kravitz end of the season sit down with Bird..

                    a lot of people are asking if Lance is so good how come he can't even get off the bench?

                    I honestly think that Bird and co are trying their best to hold a tight leash with him and sending him a message that he will never sniff the NBA court if he doesn't get his head in the right place. And I agree with that.

                    If you want him to learn to grow up, you can't reward him with playing time right now. Specially when he is only 19 years old. Yes the dude can be a game changer due to his "talent" but until we manage to get his mind out of the gutter, I don't mind him being the 12th man.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Kravitz end of the season sit down with Bird..

                      Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                      Wow, you could see that in the few games Stephenson played! You NEVER once made any type of statement like this during the season in any threads or debates about Stephenson. Why the revelation of your feelings now??

                      Yes, I did, after the game at Dallas.

                      I typically don't hold back my thoughts.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Kravitz end of the season sit down with Bird..

                        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                        I see Lance's considerably talent. he's got a great NBA body and true point guard skills that put Collison and Price to shame
                        Huh? The kid is a selfish scorer with poor fundamentals, poor shot selection, and a body and skillset somewhere between a SG and SF. The day Stephenson has an assist-to-turnover ratio north of +3 or makes more than 40% of his shots is the day the Pacers draw a charge at the United Center on Derrick Rose.
                        "Reggie Miller is the hardest player to guard." --Kobe Bryant

                        "Playing Reggie Miller drives me nuts. It's like chicken-fighting with a woman." --Michael Jordan

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                        • #57
                          Re: Kravitz end of the season sit down with Bird..

                          Originally posted by Reginald View Post
                          Huh? The kid is a selfish scorer with poor fundamentals, poor shot selection, and a body and skillset somewhere between a SG and SF. The day Stephenson has an assist-to-turnover ratio north of +3 or makes more than 40% of his shots is the day the Pacers draw a charge at the United Center on Derrick Rose.

                          OK, I grant you all that I suppose, but he still has real point guard innate skills that cannot be taught and that are almost impossible to find in players today. He sees the court, he sees the play before it developes, he has an innate ability to pass the ball. That is what I mean when I say "point guard skills" shooting, assist to turnover ratio, poor selection.....is not what I'm talking about

                          I think you and I are discussing different aspects to his game.

                          I was one who either did care or had no knowledge about his game until I saw him play in March, I was expecting to not be impressed, but I was

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                          • #58
                            Re: Kravitz end of the season sit down with Bird..

                            Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                            Neither was Shawne Williams. He still hurt the Pacers with his bad PR.
                            Shawne Williams' problems came on the heels of a bunch of problems with players who WERE very important.

                            It's hard to say what his impact would have been in a vacuum (i.e. if it was the only issue that had taken place for the couple of years previous), but I suspect it would have been much less.

                            I think we are in a position where bad PR leading to sending a guy packing is not optimal but isn't as destructive as in the past. As long as Lance is in a position to be sent packing cheaply, we're fine. If he keeps his nose clean and works his way up the ladder, then I think it is worth the risk.

                            Bear in mind I separate locker room from public. There are things that go on in the locker room that need to stay in the locker room and be dealt with there, only getting public if they can't be dealt with.
                            BillS

                            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                            • #59
                              Re: Kravitz end of the season sit down with Bird..

                              People aren't stupid.

                              Even casual fans know this team has changed.

                              Maybe a little old lady who doesn't follow sports at all and watches the news saw this and probably finds any pro athlete to be like that.

                              This whole "stuck in the past" thing is long over with. In fact, I haven't heard anyone call the Pacers thugs for like 3 years now.

                              The attendance is low because the team has sucked.

                              I'm not saying the off the court arrested didn't play a part in that because it definitely did. I'll admit, I was scared out of my mind when this **** happened. ****in Tinsley and ****heads ruining a beautiful city as Indianapolis.

                              Even after the brawl, people still attended games to see a winning team.

                              Anyway, now that we've shown we're back in the playoffs, the people will be coming back. Even new fans like those who hopped on the Colts bandwagon when they first really became good and the Pacers slipped.

                              In fact, the city should be fortunate that the Pacers and Colts of today have good people on their rosters and not causing trouble. I know I am. Makes me feel safer and enjoy sports better.

                              They are portraying the true way of Indiana sports.
                              Last edited by Scot Pollard; 04-28-2011, 03:23 PM.
                              In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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                              • #60
                                Re: Kravitz end of the season sit down with Bird..

                                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                                Yes, I did, after the game at Dallas.

                                I typically don't hold back my thoughts.
                                The first half he played in Dallas was extremely impressive. He was terrific in the PnR with Tyler.

                                Other than that we didn't see enough of Lance to keep raving about his PG skills, so I don't know why anyone would expect UB or anyone else to keep harping on it.

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