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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Official Offseason Wishlist

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  • #31
    Re: Official Offeseason Wishlist

    Originally posted by imbtyler View Post
    3. Josh McRoberts back.
    Amen.

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    • #32
      Re: Official Offeseason Wishlist

      Originally posted by Hicks View Post
      Calling Rush our sixth man is extremely misleading, even if it can technically be considered accurate.
      Yeah, I almost went back and changed it to "first wing off the bench", but it wasn't worth it. Essentially, I think trading BOTH Granger and Hibbert would be a mistake. Rush, not so much...
      BillS

      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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      • #33
        Re: Official Offeseason Wishlist

        Originally posted by PacerPride33 View Post
        2. OJ Mayo- say what you want, but OJ is a heck of a talent, and the price we could have gotten him for was a steal.
        Don't think the McBob + 1st will get that done now. Don't know how much more it will cost, but I think the price will be higher than that.

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        • #34
          Re: Official Offeseason Wishlist

          I've mentioned it a few times, but I'd really like us to steal away Rodney Stuckey. I think he could be that shot-creating SG, plus he could also play as a big PG as a change of pace from Collison. We could either go big (Stuckey-George-Granger-PF-C), or go small (Collison-Stuckey-George-Granger-C) as the situation demands.

          Only problem is that he's a restricted free agent. Hopefully Detroit will dissuaded by the big contracts for Hamilton and Gordon that they already have on their books.

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          • #35
            Re: Official Offeseason Wishlist

            Originally posted by BillS View Post
            Yeah, I almost went back and changed it to "first wing off the bench", but it wasn't worth it. Essentially, I think trading BOTH Granger and Hibbert would be a mistake. Rush, not so much...
            As always, it depends on what you're getting back.

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            • #36
              Re: Official Offeseason Wishlist

              Originally posted by IUfan4life View Post
              A guy that can go get his own shot. He's better than Paul George is right now, and Would be our second best player if we got him. He can play point guard if need be, but I really think he'd be an awesome sixth man.
              Not trying to be a jerk or anything...but if LouWill is our 2nd best Player...then our Team sucks real bad.

              Since we have the resources and assets to get one, I'd aim higher then LouWill.
              Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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              • #37
                Re: Official Offeseason Wishlist

                I just hope we don't blow our cap space.

                I really hope we save up for 2012 when we'll have more options to get a guy like Eric Gordon.

                I'm hoping for a solid starting PF too.

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                • #38
                  Re: Official Offeseason Wishlist

                  Team Needs:
                  Starting PF
                  Backup SG that can score
                  Backup PG
                  Backup SF

                  Things I'd like to see happen:
                  1st round pick options
                  1. Trade up to get Biyombo. With it being a weak draft, it might not take much to move some spots ahead. If he's going top 5, then that might be out of the questions, but I feel he'll start to lose steam here shortly. He's hot now, but that doesn't mean he'll stay that way. Sure he's a project but this team should be built around defense.
                  2. Other possibles are Terrance Jones, Jordan Williams (Maryland), Faried
                  3. Trade pick for starting PF

                  2nd Round
                  Trade up and get Darius Morris (if he comes out) - My #1 choice for a back up PG. Hell we have enough money we could buy another pick if needed (in case he goes late 1st round)
                  Other possibles are McCamey or Benson

                  Entertain offers for Granger. I don't care if Granger stays or is traded, but if there is a good deal on the table that benefits us and costs Granger to do it, then I'd be all for it.

                  Bring Foster back. If Foster retires, I'd like Chandler. Have Chandler start and Hibbert come off the bench. Chandler can even play some PF if we decide to go really big. Nice!

                  bye bye to Solo, Ford and Dunleavy (sure I'm forgetting someone). Please let AJ go.

                  I like Mcobert's, but don't feel he is what we need. We need a starting PF so Hans can come off the bench. That won't leave much playing time for McBob (who doesn't offer much defensively)

                  Trade Rush

                  Have Larry spend time with Lance. Or have Lance hang with Granger all offseason, training and working on how to behave. I really want this kid to succeed.

                  No to Josh Smith. I used to be for bringing this guy in, but I've seen him play (I live in Atlanta), and this guy is just not a winner.

                  Oden, nice dream, but any reasonable offer and the Blazers will match. They won't let their #1 pick walk away without getting anything in return. Someone will over pay and regret it.

                  That's all I can think of right now.
                  Last edited by Sparhawk; 04-27-2011, 03:12 PM.
                  First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Official Offeseason Wishlist

                    Originally posted by Infinite MAN_force View Post
                    Josh Smith.

                    I think our number one issue is rebounding right now. Smith is exactly the sort of Athletic defensive big who would take a lot of pressure off of Hibbert, Offensively and defensively.
                    I'd love Josh Smith too but the Pacers were 5th in the league in rebounding during the regular season. He would help out defensively though.

                    He's a pouter when things don't go his way. That's the only thing that worries me.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Official Offeseason Wishlist

                      Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post
                      I'd love Josh Smith too but the Pacers were 5th in the league in rebounding during the regular season. He would help out defensively though.

                      He's a pouter when things don't go his way. That's the only thing that worries me.
                      I think you'd need to look at more advanced stats, but I'm blanking on what you'd want to look at. I believe the Pacers were a poor shooting team so you're bound to have more rebounds. I don't think the Pacers were a good rebounding team, probably more average. However, I do think they gave up a ton of offensive rebounds.
                      First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Official Offeseason Wishlist

                        Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                        I don't think the Pacers were a good rebounding team, probably more average. However, I do think they gave up a ton of offensive rebounds.
                        #1 on my wish list. OFFENSIVE REBOUNDING/BOXING OUT.
                        My INDIANA Pacers dream team
                        Coaching Staff: Larry Bird (HC), Mike Woodson and Steve Alford (AC's)
                        Starting 5: Mike Conley, Eric Gordon, Gordon Hayward, Zach Randolph, and Greg Oden
                        Bench: George Hill, Josh McRoberts, Courtney Lee, Luke Harangody, Jeff Teague, Jared Jefferies, Rodney Carney, Matt Howard, and the Zeller brothers.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Official Offeseason Wishlist

                          1. Re-sign Frank Vogel to a three year contract.
                          2. Bring back the Goon Squad. Go get a starting 2 and a starting four that can rebound so that George and Hansbrough can play off the bench. Get a backup point guard that distributes the ball and plays defense. The opposite of AJ.
                          3. Try to replace the backup point guard and backup small forward spots.


                          Some of this is a very small chance of happening, some of it not.

                          Bigs to start for us/a gamble:
                          Dwight Howard
                          Josh Smith
                          Nene
                          Kenyon Martin (A two year contract)
                          Greg Oden (Three year contract w/ a team option on the third)

                          Wings to start for us:
                          Eric Gordon
                          Andre Igoudala (Why do I even consider him an option anymore?)
                          Jamal Crawford
                          OJ Mayo

                          Others:
                          Raymond Felton
                          Shane Battier
                          Earl Watson
                          Jarrett Jack

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                          • #43
                            Re: Official Offeseason Wishlist

                            Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                            Not trying to be a jerk or anything...but if LouWill is our 2nd best Player...then our Team sucks real bad.

                            Since we have the resources and assets to get one, I'd aim higher then LouWill.
                            Not saying to stop going after players if we were to acquire him, but right now he would be better than anyone except granger. I think you are highly underrating him

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                            • #44
                              Re: Official Offeseason Wishlist

                              Not a wishlist but a thankyou list....

                              I am thankful that we didn't trade for Tony Parker, although his regular season numbers weren't bad.

                              But his play in the Playoffs has been disappointing and what I believe is a sign of his future in the league.

                              Wish we would have tried to get George Hill instead though, Collison didn't do too bad but like I said then I like George better... would have gave us more flexibility playing him at the 2 sometimes and letting another pg run the point(even though back then didn't really have high praise for AJ either, but he surprised me in the playoffs).
                              Why so SERIOUS

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                              • #45
                                Re: Official Offeseason Wishlist

                                Main thing I want is for our young guys to continue improving. A lot of PD wants to see a starting PF brought in, but I think Tyler can be it. This was essentially his rookie season, and I think he showed that he has some promise as a good player in this league. He has things to work on, but I think he has work ethic to get better every year.

                                A lot of PD is a little down on Hibbert too, but I'd like to stick with him. I think this season, and specifically the time under Vogel has shown Big Roy that he can consistently be a good player, but he still needs to work on things. And we know he has the work ethic as well.

                                Paul George and Darren Collison are the back court of the future for me. George's defensive effort in the playoffs was enough to prove he belongs, and when his offense finds its feet, look out. I know a lot of PD would like someone better than DC, but I thought he played very well in the post-season, and I think he has all-star potential as a point guard.

                                The expendables on the current roster are: Rush, Price, Lance, Solo, Dun, and Josh. I'd be ok with most of them coming back, I'd be ok with none of them coming back. I like Dun probably more than a lot of PD, but I know he is not irreplaceable or a player who will push us over the top.

                                Guys I'd like to see end up here: The obvious ones are Dwight and Eric Gordon. I don't think there's an argument to be made against those two. They are supreme talents that change a franchise.

                                Josh Smith would be welcome. OJ Mayo would be exciting because we're not entirely sure how it would turn out, but he fits right into the young, talented core we're building.

                                I think the first step is to figure out what Bird is going to do, and whether Coach V will be back. I really hope they both return, because they both understand what Indiana basketball should be about, and they seem to be a perfect match for this franchise moving forward.
                                It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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