If you guys think that Danny Granger and Rudy Gay are one dimensional, you've obviously never seen Charlie V play basketball.
I would throw myself off a cliff and take Joe Dumars with me if he did anything besides hang up the phone laughing. Greg Monroe is not going anywhere.
I'd also ask for an additional 1st rounder simply for taking Stephenson.
Last edited by Kstat; 05-21-2011 at 07:20 AM.
Charlie V is one of the most gifted 1-on-1 scorers in the NBA. Unfortunately, he's awful at everything else. Throw a double team at him and he'll continue to launch bad shots or throw bad passes. He's also weak as hell defensively.
That being said, the guy is capable of catching fire and going for 30+ off the bench on any given night. He's got a hell of a scoring touch. The Pacers would make better use of him than the Pistons. He needs to play in a more up tempo system.
If we're willing to ship out Danny for a young talent, the #2 pick is the way to go. Enes Kanter's upside dwarfs Greg Monroe's. Monroe will probably be a solid starter for years to come, but he's nothing special, whereas Kanter could be.
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Adding on to Greg he aved 14 and 10 after Kuseter came to his senses and started playing him a lot of mintues post all star break.
Signing a coach is obviously priority one.
Priority two would be to land a PF or a SG. Personally, I'd rather go the PF route and I'd love to see Carl Landry be that guy.
As much as I like Granger, IMO I think he's peaked right now. I could be wrong, but I don't see him improving that much. On one hand, he has a very good contract from the Pacers standpoint, but on the other hand he could be used to land a very good SG. There will be a loss in production in terms of the drop off from Granger to George/Jones/Posey/whoever, but I only see that loss as a short term loss as George progresses.
Kirilenko is available as well, but he's probably got a 3-4 year shelf life at near peak talent level as he is 30. I don't see him as a long-term solution, but I also view him as an improvement over Granger, at least immediately. I'm also not sure he's ready to leave the Jazz, but with Sloan and Williams both gone, I think the Pacers are a better fit for him than the Jazz are at this point.
I do not like OJ Mayo. He's not even a starter on the Grizzlies and he has some maturity issues IMO. I see him as a Stephen Jackson type, although not to that extreme.
I guess it all boils down to whether the Pacers trade Granger or not and what they get in return. I'm not sure Beasley is a good pick-up either (a recent trade rumor had him coming to Indy along with the #2 pick in this draft and Ricky Rubio - whom I don't see coming to the NBA any time soon) as he has maturity issues as well. I trust Bird to make the right call. He has been building towards this summer for a while now. Since the draft is not all that deep, I don't see the Pacers getting better value out of the draft than they can with a trade/free agent signing even if they move up to the #2 pick. Having said that, aside from Landry and Kirilenko, the free agent market isn't very good this year either. If you trade Grander though, who is the "franchise" player?
So much stupid **** being talked about in this thread. Chaz Villanueva...really?
Another thought here:
Roy Hibbert C / Stanko Barac C / Jeff Foster C/PF
Tyler Hansbrough PF / Michael Beasley PF / Josh McRoberts PF
Paul George SF/SG / Derrick Williams SF/PF (Rookie) / James Posey SF
JR Smith SG / Brandon Rush SG / Jordan Hamilton SG/SF (Rookie)
Darrin Collison PG / AJ Price PG / Cory Joseph PG (Rookie)
Wolves get: Danny Granger, Dahntey Jones
Pacers get: Michael Beasely & Derrick Williams
Sign Stanko Barac ?salary? / JR Smith 3yr- 15-18 mil
Resign: Jeff Foster to 1 yr. / 2 mil / Josh McRoberts 3 yr- 9 mil
Lance Stephenson --- DLeague or Euro or Home.
SB 1.5 based on draft position
Approx. salary total 43 mil. 7mil will be gone when Posey gets out of here.
Gone: Danny Granger, Mike Dunleavey, Dahntey Jones, TJ Ford, Solomon Jones
If we can get a trade for Mayo without throwing in the kitchen sink then cool and no JR. I just don't want to see Pacers commiting to much in draft picks and other assets and not have the assets to pry EJ away next year. JR is no doubt one of the better UFA this year and he shouldn't fall apart like the FA veterans available. He is a dynamic offensive player and can plays solid defense, he can add alot to our team. Hopefully Coach V can get him more consistant and play within himself, if he can, JR could be a gem. As far as him being a head case, so is OJ and it appears JR has grown up and is staying out of trouble now. I'm in to take the chance.
Michael Beasley - Nobody better then him in FA, and no way is Landry better, nuf said.
There are a tone of options, but I heard Bird say he wants to have a bench as strong as the starters so there is no difference. Also he said he will not use all the cap the first year. Therefore, I think this is a solid rotation and will give this coming year the ability to work with the new CBA and evaluate the low risk talent, get contract extensions for Hibbert & Rush. I know some of you don't care much for Rush, but I think he is one of the better spot up shooters in the league and he has stepped his defense up since Coach V took over, if Rush gets alittle more aggressive and take his shot alittle more, it will be a great day.
I like Jordan Hamilton better then Klay Thompson, I think he has much more potential. Has more versitilty and a great shot to go with it.
Now I love to speculate as much as the next guy, but some seriously stupid ****** is going on in this thread.
Proof: When Charlie V is now on our "Offseason Wishlist", we've officially become bored/delusional.
Please, let's all come back to reality. And no, that doesn't include Granger for Eric Gordon. That's another fantasy. Why would the Clippers want an older and worse player for one of the brightest young stars in the league?
Unless of course, the Clippers management loses their minds. Which is possible I suppose. But not likely.
Stop quoting people I have on ignore!
1). Starting lineup isn't any better.
* Hansbrough still starting when we needed an upgrade (I love Hansbrough)
* Roy is fine, but he's got to get better
* DC hopefully will learn to see the floor. If he does, he'll drastically improve
* JR is a major chucker. No thank you
* I don't think PG is ready to handle our scoring load
2). Bench is slightly better.
* AJ is awful
* Brandon is still awful
* Derrick Williams is a crapshoot (I don't think he'll be that good)
* Beasley, if his head is on straight, is the upgrade in this lineup
* No way in hell I'm starting Stanko over Jeff. Of course that's if Jeff is back, but Jeff is still way better even in his old age. I don't want some softy starting over Jeff.
As for Posey, Hamilton, Joseph, and J-Mac, I don't really care about any of them. It was a good thought to at least make our one head case (Lance) go away while taking on 2 headcases (Smith and Beasley). However, I kind of think those two have grown up. One would hope.
Still, what are we after that? An 8 seed, at best. And a first round exit. I don't see where we get better honestly, unless D-Will absolutely goes off.
I'm no Granger lover, but I just don't care for that scenario. I'd welcome Danny being gone, just for something other than that.
Stop quoting people I have on ignore!
i'd be thrilled if we could add one of Nene/Chandler. dont think i really need to post reasoning as they have been discussed to death already.. but really those are the only guys that would get me legitimately excited. i would also like to get Mayo again.
but in reality we are probably going to end up like the nets last year. set the sights high.... get Farmar.
I think we should try to get T-Mac. He can play the PG and SG off the bench, shouldn't cost too much, and maybe he could tutor George
I love Danny, but Pacers need to use him as the only good expendable asset on the team while he has some value left. Hans, Hibbert, George are really the only others that will give us a good trade return and I don't see that happening, to young and contracts are to good and they are the core of the team. The FA is not that great this year. It is always hard to impossible to get a TEAM OPTIONS, RFA's and by the time they are resigned, it doesn't leave much left. Seems like the majority of the FA's that would possibly be an improvement are old and coming to an end. I don't see any good in adding big name, over paid 30+ yr olds to the team at this time, maybe next year if Pacers become a contender type ball club and we need that extra to get over the top. Ask Orlando how is't working out for them...what a disappointment.
As for a solid rotational group of guys that may give us great return in mid season to next year. I would be delighted to see this roster at the beginning of the year. Beasley is a really great player, his rebound is low but Love takes them all. Beasely plays alot of SF there and he isn't a SF. He's to tall, big and strong, he would be perfect for Pacers.
Nene, Chandler are not going to come here as FA. Just don't see it. Chandler is going to get his with the play he is doing in Dallas. As I mentioned in a prvevious thread, He may look over his shoulder at us but it will just be a look.
I do have a great trade that would bring Josh Smith here and we could keep Hibbert. I will post in a moment.
Wolves get: Danny Granger
Pacers get: Josh Smith
Hawkes get: Enes Kanter and Micheal Beasley & Pacers 15th pick
STOP JUST STOP!!
why in the name of all that is Miller time would you want to anal-assault this franchise like that?
Are you a Hawks fan? That's gotta be the case, because that makes no sense at all!!
Walk over to rite-aid grab a box of lifestyles, cuz we need to be safe if you're going to us like that.
1: Keep vogel for sure
2: Draft Reggie Jackson
3: If possible trade Granger for Derrick Williams and pieces.
4: Sign Nene
5: Sign Wilson Chandler
Williams or chandler
It's a wish list that has real context. Now this is an improvemet and very exciting, gives me chills!
Pick up Nene Hilario on and resign Josh Mcroberts
Pacers get from Wolves:
Wolves 2011 1st rnd pick #2 Derrick Williams
Pacers get from Cavalers:
Cavalers 2011 1st rnd pick #4 Enes Kanter
Pacers 2011 1st rnd pick #15
Pacers 2011 2nd rnd pick #42
Future draft pick if needed
Nene Hilario / Enes Kanter / Stanco Barac
Hansbrough / JJ Hickson
George / Derrick Williams
Eric Gordon / Rush / Jones
Collison / Ramon Sessions / Price