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    Assuming Indiana keeps their pick, a Morris twin will probably be the selection.
    I never even thought of that before, which is kind of mind-blowing because I have followed Kansas to an extent ever since Rush went there. I feel like you are going to end up being right, I would just prefer someone bigger although I guess they are listed at 6'10ish which isn't bad.

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    well, they're both big, they just don't play very big, which is why they aren't locks to be lottery picks.

    It also hurts that they're both twins in the same draft, which generally drops players a little lower than they should be.

    Talent-wise, Marcus of Markiff would be good value at #15. Marcus would be a little better fit for how Indiana wants to play. They badly need another frontcourt scorer to come off the bench.
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    Biyombo has played in Europe for what, 10 minutes?
    Since he was 16, I believe.

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    ok, so 15 minutes.

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    As far as prospects go, I like Kenneth Faried. He plays like a slightly smaller Ben Wallace. In a draft that is short on shot blocking, board crashing, physical low post defenders, he fits that mold perfectly.
    Regarding Faried, I'm a big fan too. At 6'8'' he's probably a little undersized, but his length and athleticism helps make up for it. Certainly he plays bigger than his listed height. And he might actually be taller than Big Ben, who by some accounts is just 6'6'' and certainly no more than 6'8''.

    Also like what I've seen of Tristan Thompson.

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    Assuming Indiana keeps their pick, a Morris twin will probably be the selection.
    Not sure how accurate this is, but this link (found via DX) claims that Marcus Morris measured out at 6'9'' with a 6'7'' wingspan.

    http://community.foxsports.com/goodm...ollege_rosters

    For comparison's sake, that's the same wingspan that 6'2'' Shelvin Mack has! Really concerning if you're expecting Marcus Morris to be your starting PF. To be fair, it's not an official NBA measurement. And there have been successful players with relatively short arms (say Blake Griffin and Kevin Love, both 6'10'' with 6'11'' wingspans). 6'7'' for a 6'9'' guy is really T-rex arms territory though.

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    Indiana has a starting PF. They need a backup PF that can score.

    Marcus Morris is a shooter, not really a pure post up player, so wingspan is not much of an issue there.

    Faried resembles Reggie Evans to me. He's not a great man to man defender. Awesome rebounder, though.
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    Draft Nogueira for his awesome nickname (Bebe).
    Marv Alberts will still call him Granger.

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    2011 NBADRAFT, PACERS SELECT

    Jordan Hamilton
    I really don't think we need another mid-sized wing to fill our 2/3 spots. If we keep half of our wings, we're still overstocked at the position. Also, DX says this about him:

    Never really finding his groove coming off the bench on a team featuring three players picked in the 2010 draft, Hamilton was incredibly inconsistent from game to game last year, showing significant issues with his shot-selection, defense and in turn his body language when faced with adversity.
    I don't think we need another inconsistent player with shot selection issues, struggling defense, and an attitude problem. I used to think highly of him, but now, PASS.

    We need a taller point guard with court vision, a banger power forward and a strong center, all to backup our current starters. That, of course, is pending any other moves we make this offseason. I can't think of anyone else in this draft whom we could take advantage of, or be able to reach, so I suggest we trade the pick for a potential lotto pick next year, and try picking up other assets through trades and signings.
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    Foreign players who come here to play college ball on their way to the NBA generally don't get the soft label.
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    ok, so 15 minutes.
    College lasts what, 7 minutes on average?
    Look man, you are trying to overthink a simple thing here. Which leads to bad logic. There's no magic period you need to spend in Europe or college to get stereotyped. People who know how long a player spent in one league, generally know enough about that player not to stereotype him.
    People who stereotype - they mostly aren't that sophisticated on the subject.

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    College lasts what, 7 minutes on average?
    Look man, you are trying to overthink a simple thing here. Which leads to bad logic. There's no magic period you need to spend in Europe or college to get stereotyped. People who know how long a player spent in one league, generally know enough about that player not to stereotype him.
    People who stereotype - they mostly aren't that sophisticated on the subject.
    ...and yet you're here stereotyping Americans as stereotyping Europeans

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    I wouldn't mind getting Biyombo we might as well swing for the fences. Didn't this guy get or was close to getting a triple double in the worlds game with rebounds blocks and points?

    Also if this draft is so awful outside of williams and irving. Is there any team in the league that has a higher pick that would possible consider trading their pick away for just some salary relief and give us a chance to move up if we so choose?

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    I don't see Biyombo escaping the top 10, either.

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    Also if this draft is so awful outside of williams and irving. Is there any team in the league that has a higher pick that would possible consider trading their pick away for just some salary relief and give us a chance to move up if we so choose?

    No team would do that simply for the PR nightmare. I could see someone trading their pick for a future 1st, though.

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    No team would do that simply for the PR nightmare. I could see someone trading their pick for a future 1st, though.
    Clippers traded away their pick (#8 overall) to unload Baron Davis' contract.

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    Clippers traded away their pick (#8 overall) to unload Baron Davis' contract.
    They said they did it because the draft was really that weak.

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    Clippers traded away their pick (#8 overall) to unload Baron Davis' contract.
    I'm saying you don't do it on draft day. If fans are looking forward to a new player and you hand them cap space, it's a tough pill to swallow.

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    ...and yet you're here stereotyping Americans as stereotyping Europeans
    I think you are stereotyping me as stereotyping Americans as stereotyping Euros
    Otherwise you'd have noticed that (in the post you just quoted) I said that the stereotype isn't used by everyone.

    Or maybe you mean, there's no 'soft Euro shooter' stereotype at all? There was a thread here not long ago about Valanciunas. One of the first posts - something along the lines of 'no thanks, don't want Euro shooters who are lazy to defend'. That's an extreme example, since that particular player is 100% energy right now, and next to 0 shooting skills, kind of a young Splitter. But man, that Dirk/Bargnani stereotype keeps coming up in all the wrong spots.

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    I think you are stereotyping me as stereotyping Americans as stereotyping Euros
    Otherwise you'd have noticed that (in the post you just quoted) I said that the stereotype isn't used by everyone.

    Or maybe you mean, there's no 'soft Euro shooter' stereotype at all? There was a thread here not long ago about Valanciunas. One of the first posts - something along the lines of 'no thanks, don't want Euro shooters who are lazy to defend'. That's an extreme example, since that particular player is 100% energy right now, and next to 0 shooting skills, kind of a young Splitter. But man, that Dirk/Bargnani stereotype keeps coming up in all the wrong spots.
    Nobody stereotyped Jonas Jerebko as soft. Nobody with half a brain calls Valanciunas soft. Nobody calls Enis Kanter soft. Jan Vesely is rail-thin, and I haven't even heard the soft labl attached to him. Other than king ADD Donatas Motiejunas and maybe Mirotic, I see no "soft" Euros in this draft.

    There are soft euro shooters, just like there are soft American shooters. JJ Reddick went from the ACC's all time leading scorer to having to prove he even belonged in the NBA.
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    Some are VERY outdated. So much in fact they actually have the Pacers picking at 12th.

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    Nobody stereotyped Jonas Jerebko as soft. Nobody with half a brain calls Valanciunas soft. Nobody calls Enis Kanter soft. Jan Vesely is rail-thin, and I haven't even heard the soft labl attached to him. Other than king ADD Donatas Motiejunas and maybe Mirotic, I see no "soft" Euros in this draft.

    There are soft euro shooters, just like there are soft American shooters. JJ Reddick went from the ACC's all time leading scorer to having to prove he even belonged in the NBA.
    Exactly, people with half a brain (and some knowledge) avoid stereotypes.

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    I haven't seen anyone mention Kawhi Leonard. Maybe locals didn't get to see much of him because he was on the west coast. Seems like a good selection at 15.

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    I haven't seen anyone mention Kawhi Leonard. Maybe locals didn't get to see much of him because he was on the west coast. Seems like a good selection at 15.
    At the position we're selecting, I'd rather take a shot on an upside guy that does something that is not duplicative, like a slashing wing, a long defensive big, or a big PG. Plus guys like Jimmer and Kawhi need to work out and measure well. They only play against guys that will be in the NBA a couple of times a year in their respective leagues. Obviously that isn't a deal breaker, but I am not confident in measuring their potential against inferior competition alone.

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    I want Ivan Renko. 6'8 230 pound Yugoslav big man. I think he's going to be the real deal.

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    I love that cdash. I don't want to give it away, but all I am going to say is Bob Knight.

    Read the book a long time ago.

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    At the position we're selecting, I'd rather take a shot on an upside guy that does something that is not duplicative, like a slashing wing, a long defensive big, or a big PG. Plus guys like Jimmer and Kawhi need to work out and measure well. They only play against guys that will be in the NBA a couple of times a year in their respective leagues. Obviously that isn't a deal breaker, but I am not confident in measuring their potential against inferior competition alone.

    Honestly, I think Leonard meets all your criteria.

    Its official: we're taking Leonard.

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