Yes, and at Moorehead he wasn't playing against the greatest competition either. Sorry, the Pacers don't need another undersized PF, they need size up front. Preferably one that can play the 4/5, play "D", help Hibbert in the paint. How is he playing the P&R? I don't see Faried doing any of these things.
I won't deny the Pacers need another big. I am the king of "get another bigman land",I would prefer to get an experienced big now instead of developing one. Nene comes to mind. So if that can be done then use that pick on someone with a singularly unique talent. That is why I like Faried, plus he rebounds relentlessly. Or pick possibly a Jimmer for another unique talent, long range shooting. Or trade down and get Johnson and a Nolan Smith/Travis Leslie/Darius Morris type player.
Last edited by owl; 04-27-2011 at 11:13 PM.
To start, your comparing Fredette's number as a senior to Curry's as a junior. Every year they were at the same level Curry obliterated his stats and if you were to throw the Senior version of Curry he would have torn the NCAA a new one. He is at the NBA level getting better every year.
Curry also played against MUCH better competition year round. Davidson was scheduled against Duke, Carolina, UCLA, or whatever a lot. Then in the NCAA tourny absolutely destroyed top teams in the Nation - including the Hibbert lead Hoyas.
I can see Fredette being a nice spark off the bench for short periods of time in the NBA. He will not be able to defend anyone in the NBA though.
The comparison between the two starts and ends at two good college players taking a smaller school to the big stage. Fredette won't make anything close to the same impact Curry has made in the NBA.
ok then compare each's junior stats...
SEASON MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2008-2009 33.7 28.6 4.4 5.6 3.7 1.50 2.5 .2 2.4 .454 .876 .387 1.42
2009-2010 31.1 22.1 3.1 4.7 2.7 1.71 1.2 .1 1.1 .458 .892 .440 1.53
still fairly equal when you consider jimmer was the more efficient shooter as evidenced by the higher fg, ft, 3pt%s and the much higher pps. you also want to talk about competition? understand that the mountain west was ranked as the 4th toughest conference in college basketball this year whereas in curry's junior year at davidson, southern ranked 20th out of 31 conferences. mountain west ranked 7th that year btw. also, all it takes is watching these players play in college to see the similarities in their games. so you can try bashing my post all you'd like, but it's an educated post.
Jimmer is the most frightening aspect of this draft to me. I would be relieved if he is taken before #15. He was an awesome college player, but I don't see how he would be able to guard anyone at the NBA level.
I certainly wouldn't be upset if Tristan Thompson was our pick, but I don't think he'll be available at #15.
MWC was hugely overrated on account of SDSU and BYU's records. The bottom line is that Jimmer didn't play NBA talent until the tourney.
sdsu, byu, utah, unlv, air force, and new mexico have all been ranked or tournament teams in the last 3 years... and also you severely overrate "playing against nba talent". when you look at the actual numbers, mid-major teams like butler, air force, sdsu, utah state consistently rank among the best defensive teams in the country because unlike the "major" schools, the mids play defense as a team. butler didn't make back to back finals because of their offense afterall... if you want the perfect example, go watch steph curry's game against butler in the bracketbuster a few years back.
just because chris kramer, dane fife, ronald nored, jarvis varnado, willie veasley aren't or weren't nba players, doesn't make them bad defenders
Last edited by croz24; 04-28-2011 at 01:44 AM.
Faried had double-doubles against Louisville (12-17), Ohio State (15-12) and Florida (20-18). Yes, the rest of his competition was watered down. Was he supposed to play 1-on-5 against the big boys on his off days?
I saw enough to think his motor and rebounding tenacity can translate into a solid bench PF. You aren't looking for any more than that at No. 15.
There is no doubt that major schools have more talented players, on average, than the MWC. They put more players in the league.
Butler is a great team with a fantastic coach that played exceptionally well. I don't see how that makes Jimmer play anyone of note during the regular season.
After reading everyone's comments, listening to Wells on the Dan Dakich Show and waking up this morning to the Kravitz one-on-one with Bird, my total and complete hunch is Bird gets his scorer via trade/free agency and his big via the draft. The Pacers' love affair with Mayo is seemingly still going strong, and I think if Faried and/or Thompson drop to 15 they pull the trigger.
I like that Faried has four years under his belt and some eye-popping stats in categories where the Pacers are hurting. His 13.3 rpg led the nation, and even more surprisingly he led his conference in steals at 2.3 per game. That's a very active big man right there. Still, I think his ceiling is lower than Thompson's. Not that it matters, as I'm pretty sure the decision will be out of our hands come 15 and Thompson will already be gone.
Faried will help the team. Heck, would you take an upgrade of Tyler on your team?
He is a better rebounder and shot blocker. I don't think Faried has any less drive than Tyler.
Offensively Tyler is better. I think the Pacers could do much worse at 15.
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I really, really hope our draft pick is included as part of a trade
15th in what looks to be a real crappy draft
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