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Indiana's 'interim' coach giving Bulls a full-time headache

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    Indiana's 'interim' coach giving Bulls a full-time headache

    Vogel is making a very compelling argument for himself. It's hard not to be very impressed by the guy.

    http://www.nba.com/2011/news/feature...nce/index.html

    Originally posted by Steve Aschburner, NBA.com

    CHICAGO -- Before we launch into the official lookahead at Game 5 of the Chicago-Indiana first-round playoff series, let's pause briefly for an unpaid basketball endorsement:

    Frank Vogel needs to have the "interim" tag erased from his role as head coach of the Pacers.

    Whatever NBA general managers or presidents of basketball operations look for when they tab someone to work their teams' sidelines, Vogel seems to have in spades. Maximize your club's potential? Check. Indiana was 10 games under .500 (17-27) when Vogel was flipped the keys in a season that appeared destined to be its fifth in a row missing the postseason. It went 20-18 the rest of the way, with a 10-5 kick near the end to nail down the East's No. 8 seed.

    Inspire the troops? Check. The Pacers seem to love playing for Vogel. They exhaled when his positive preachings alleviated the more oppressive mood set by former coach Jim O'Brien, who had endured the roster makeover. That made them willing to go along as Vogel has demanded more this spring.

    Perform well under pressure? Check. Locked into what might have been considered the least competitive first-round series, the Pacers have played well enough to be tied 2-2 or lead 3-1 rather than trail 1-3 heading into the game Tuesday night at United Center. They have led in the fourth quarter in each game. Their defense has limited the Bulls to 39.8 percent field-goal shooting. After being outrebounded by a combined 39 in Games 1 and 2, the Pacers nearly matched Chicago's work on the boards at Conseco Fieldhouse (88-87).

    Vogel has taken players from the spare-parts bin -- rookie Paul George, reserves Dahntay Jones and A.J. Price -- and made life difficult for MVP favorite Derrick Rose, mixing defenders and looks while either pressuring the ball out of Rose's hands or extracting a physical toll when he pushes toward the rim. He has gotten center Roy Hibbert to play tall again, kept his big guy's length between Carlos Boozer and a respectable series and unleashed enough hounds to bother the Bulls into 42 first-half turnovers in the four games, messing with Chicago's flow.

    "Our execution could be a lot better," Bulls guard Kyle Korver told reporters Monday. "We're trying to find our flow at that end. A lot of it has to do with how they're trapping Derrick. We're not getting into our sets really quick. We see the shot clock is at seven [seconds] or eight, and we're like, 'Oh, we can't run our whole play now.' So we have to get in our sets quicker. We've talked a lot about that the last couple of days."

    The Bulls could have taken Sunday off and spent Monday and Tuesday talking instead about the Orlando-Atlanta series, if not for the job Vogel has done with the Pacers in forcing them to five games and daring them now to go six. It's folly to tell Indiana president of basketball operations Larry Bird what to do in a basketball decision, but imagine how the Pacers might respond if "interim" were scrubbed off Vogel's title in a well-timed, Hollywood-style announcement about an hour before tipoff for Game 5.

    Now back to our regularly scheduled game-day coverage ...

    It's all riding on Rose's sprained left ankle. Somehow the Bulls' point guard played more than 32 minutes in Game 4 after rolling his ankle late in the first quarter. He shot 3-of-16 and scored just eight points after that, though he did solve Indiana's pressure enough for 10 assists in a second half Chicago won 51-40.

    Rose has had X-rays and an MRI, has spent time in a walking boot and has not practiced since he was seen hobbling slowly postgame Saturday, in shower clogs and full uniform, to a treatment room at the Fieldhouse. He said Monday he will take a painkiller shot for Game 5.

    Besides Rose's ankle, there will be other Bulls body parts getting scrutinized, from Korver's fingertips (he's 8-of-10 on 3-pointers in the series vs. teammates' 15-of-64) to Joakim Noah's elbows (time to get pushy, Jo) to Boozer's foam biceps (more show than "Oh!"). Coach Tom Thibodeau has reminded his players not to settle for a perimeter game, to work their offense inside-out, to stay aggressive and to match Indiana's more obvious physical play.

    Which is just one more argument on Vogel's behalf: Thibodeau, a top candidate for NBA Coach of the Year, is reacting and adjusting to a fellow still lugging around "interim."

    Steve Aschburner has written about the NBA for 25 years. You can e-mail him here and follow him on twitter.

    The views on this page do not necessarily reflect the views of the NBA, its clubs or Turner Broadcasting.
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    Re: Indiana's 'interim' coach giving Bulls a full-time headache

    As I said the other day I'll go with what Bird & co. say is best, but I have no idea & I mean no idea of a single coach out there that I think would be better for this particular group of players.

    That includes some of the top names that are available.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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      Re: Indiana's 'interim' coach giving Bulls a full-time headache

      Originally posted by Steve Aschburner

      It's folly to tell Indiana president of basketball operations Larry Bird what to do in a basketball decision, but imagine how the Pacers might respond if "interim" were scrubbed off Vogel's title in a well-timed, Hollywood-style announcement about an hour before tipoff for Game 5.
      This is the first time I've seen this idea thrown out. I don't think it would have any impact on the game, but it is interesting to think about.

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        Re: Indiana's 'interim' coach giving Bulls a full-time headache

        Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
        This is the first time I've seen this idea thrown out. I don't think it would have any impact on the game, but it is interesting to think about.
        Regardless of when or how it happens, it needs to happen. I was very much on the fence with him until this series, now I'm wholly convinced that he is the man for the job.

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          Re: Indiana's 'interim' coach giving Bulls a full-time headache

          Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
          This is the first time I've seen this idea thrown out. I don't think it would have any impact on the game, but it is interesting to think about.
          They don't need any distractions. I would like to see that done as soon as the season is over though.

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            Re: Indiana's 'interim' coach giving Bulls a full-time headache

            It is going to be very difficult to hire someone else after the end of season performance and the thought of transitioning to ANOTHER coach in 3 months time should make everyone a little queasy.
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              Re: Indiana's 'interim' coach giving Bulls a full-time headache

              It would be an amazing annoucement, wonder what effect it would have on the team for this next game? Would they be energized? I would almost think they would be playing harder knowing it might be Vogel's last game tonight. Would not want his Pacers career to end on the road. There is always extra motivation to close things out the right way.
              You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                Re: Indiana's 'interim' coach giving Bulls a full-time headache

                Guess it all depends on who is in the front office this summer. If Bird, i would say 90% cahnce Vogel stays. If a new front office, it would drop his chances a lil bit.
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                  Re: Indiana's 'interim' coach giving Bulls a full-time headache

                  Making the announcement now would be a big distraction and I think there is some merit in the idea that the guys will be extra motivated in case this is Vogel's last game as an NBA head coach.
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                    Re: Indiana's 'interim' coach giving Bulls a full-time headache

                    We need a "Hire Vogel" mood.

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                      Re: Indiana's 'interim' coach giving Bulls a full-time headache

                      i love this guy. a young coach to grow with our young players is music to my earholes. this man deserves the job, and he has definitely earned it.

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                        Re: Indiana's 'interim' coach giving Bulls a full-time headache

                        I also think it's clear that the players want to be coached by Vogel.

                        They wouldn't have played the way they have if they didn't want him to coach them. I don't mean "playing well." For the most part, individually, no one except Granger has played exceedingly well skills wise.

                        I'm talking about the amount of effort, scrappiness, and heart this team has shown the past 5 games. Every player has given 110%, and that is a complete reflection of how they feel about Vogel.

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                          Re: Indiana's 'interim' coach giving Bulls a full-time headache

                          Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                          I also think it's clear that the players want to be coached by Vogel.

                          They wouldn't have played the way they have if they didn't want him to coach them. I don't mean "playing well." For the most part, individually, no one except Granger has played exceedingly well skills wise.

                          I'm talking about the amount of effort, scrappiness, and heart this team has shown the past 5 games. Every player has given 110%, and that is a complete reflection of how they feel about Vogel.
                          Nothing against Vogel but if you can give it your all in the playoffs you shouldn't be in the league.

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                            Re: Indiana's 'interim' coach giving Bulls a full-time headache

                            has this thought crossed anyone else's mind, "maybe Bird/pacers have not removed the interim tag because Bird is not coming back next season"

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                              Re: Indiana's 'interim' coach giving Bulls a full-time headache

                              Originally posted by spazzxb View Post
                              Nothing against Vogel but if you can give it your all in the playoffs you shouldn't be in the league.
                              It's a different level than any other team in this league. I'm not exaggerating.
                              Every player is playing hard for all teams, but this one has taken it to a different level.

                              edit: Unclebuck, I don't think so. I think they'll just wait until the summer, and possibly interview other people, but Vogel's got a huge chance.

                              I would guess Larry wants to come back. He's clearly done a very good job.

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