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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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  • #91
    Re: One bulls fan arrested, 20 bulls fans thrown out, bulls fans caught tipping trash cans outside conseco

    I was also angry/embarrassed by the amount of bulls fans today. i felt quite badly for our team, as if i should have done something to prevent the invasion of chicago dbags.
    Coach Vogel on the Chicago crowd in game 4 : "I only heard pacers fans. I didn't see any red, I saw Pacers fans I saw yellow and blue, and I heard Pacers chants. That's all I heard the whole game."

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    • #92
      Re: One bulls fan arrested, 20 bulls fans thrown out, bulls fans caught tipping trash cans outside conseco

      Originally posted by Scot Pollard View Post
      Oh yeah I know.

      There were a ton of Illinois license plates in the parking lot so I figured they were from Chicago.

      I just want to know where all these people were before Derrick Rose came along and Kirk Hinrich was running their team.
      I also think a lot of them were kids that go to IU or PU... I saw a number of classmates in the crowd, that were from Chicago. If this series was a couple weeks later I am sure there would be less.

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      • #93
        Re: One bulls fan arrested, 20 bulls fans thrown out, bulls fans caught tipping trash cans outside conseco

        I think its already been posted but it will take alot more than a home playoff game to get a Pacer fan majority sell out at Conseco. Also not to mention that alot of people have left town for Easter anyways.

        At my work I am the only real Pacer fan...real as in I will follow the team throughout the season and actually attend games (from a local perspective). So that's 1 person out of about 15. They were all fans at my work place when Reggie was here, I only know this because thats their only frame of reference when the Pacers come up in conversation.

        I dont' get it personally, I thought we Hoosiers love basketball. I certainly grew up loving basketball. I get that football is the popular game now. I've been to my fair share of Colts games and my gosh nothing in a football game compares to playoff game in the NBA. Infact I'm about done with football, I just doesn't hold my interested like basketball.
        You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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        • #94
          Re: One bulls fan arrested, 20 bulls fans thrown out, bulls fans caught tipping trash cans outside conseco

          That was basically a road game for us. I'm so proud of them. I know that had to be disappointing to them, yet they played through it. Down the stretch, Chicago got away with Boozer on Roy for a pretty long stretch. Wish we could have exploited that more. But the amount of Bulls fans today, and the way some of them were acting was just crazy.

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          • #95
            Re: One bulls fan arrested, 20 bulls fans thrown out, bulls fans caught tipping trash cans outside conseco

            Some things that should probably be noted:

            Chicago is a WAY bigger city than Indy, they had the best record in the NBA and an exciting season. Not to mention they're extremely local. Their fans probably did whatever they could to get cheaper tickets to see thier team in the playoffs. Therefore, they are competing with Pacer fans in getting the tickets and their chances in obtaining them are almost as good as a Pacer fan. If this is any other team, we don't see this type of invasion. We didn't know the exact dates of the playoffs and that defers a casual fan from buying a 37-45 record teams tickets. The bulls on the other hand have the MVP and were thought to have a great chance at winning it all: alot more incentive to take a chance on times.

            All this being said. The ratio was still attrocious and in my opinion a black eye for Indy.
            "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.

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            • #96
              Re: One bulls fan arrested, 20 bulls fans thrown out, bulls fans caught tipping trash cans outside conseco

              Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
              I dont' get it personally, I thought we Hoosiers love basketball. I certainly grew up loving basketball. I get that football is the popular game now. I've been to my fair share of Colts games and my gosh nothing in a football game compares to playoff game in the NBA. Infact I'm about done with football, I just doesn't hold my interested like basketball.
              The JailPacer and then the JOB ChuckaThree years caused a lot of people not only lose pride, but become indifferent towards the team. It will take some time to bring them back.
              "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

              "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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              • #97
                Re: One bulls fan arrested, 20 bulls fans thrown out, bulls fans caught tipping trash cans outside conseco

                I was watching the game at work today, and I was offended by the number of Bulls fans at the game. I wish I lived closer, had the time/money to go to these games, and could go support my team. When I heard the cheer go up for Rose as he came back from the ankle roll, it ticked me off. That's ridiculous. I'm glad we were able to win and stick it to those Bulls fans.

                Also, Chicago sports fans are the most ignorant, arrogant, and disrespectful fans I've ever been around, in any sport.
                It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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                • #98
                  Re: One bulls fan arrested, 20 bulls fans thrown out, bulls fans caught tipping trash cans outside conseco

                  At this hour, I don't have time to read all the replies in this thread.

                  I woudl put the Bulls fan to Pacers fan ratio for today at 4 to 1, which is pathetic. It was a sea of red there today.

                  I was in section 2 row 34 and had Bulls fans all around me. Twice my friend and I had to take the high road when verbaly challenged to spar with no class scumbags from Chicago. All around me I saw and heard nothing but worthless, no good, drain on society, trouble making @ssholes. The average Bulls fan I saw today was a filthy, indecent embarassment to mankind.

                  Pacers fans who gave up on this series and sold their tickets to Bulls fans are jagoffs.

                  These people today were the dregs of society. I'm not trying to exaggerate here for dramatic effect. Every one of them I encountered today was a lowlife with nothing of value or substance to contribute to the world. I never realized public assistance could be used to buy NBA tickets.


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                  • #99
                    Re: One bulls fan arrested, 20 bulls fans thrown out, bulls fans caught tipping trash cans outside conseco

                    Originally posted by Scot Pollard View Post
                    Oh yeah I know.

                    There were a ton of Illinois license plates in the parking lot so I figured they were from Chicago.

                    I just want to know where all these people were before Derrick Rose came along and Kirk Hinrich was running their team.
                    They would have shown if it were a playoff game. Thier fan base is so big based on population.

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                    • Re: One bulls fan arrested, 20 bulls fans thrown out, bulls fans caught tipping trash cans outside conseco

                      Shame some bad fans were ********.

                      No such thing as good fans and bad fan bases. I'm a Sox and Hawks fan and a Colts and Pacers fan. Am I an ******* half of the time and nice the other half? Are Bulls fans who are Sox fans only ******** while being Bulls fans? Or maybe I'm an *******? Bulls fans have called me ******* before while I've been decked out in Pacers gear at the UC, but if I'm an ******* to Bulls fans and they think I'm obnoxious are all Pacers fans obnoxious?

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                      • Re: One bulls fan arrested, 20 bulls fans thrown out, bulls fans caught tipping trash cans outside conseco

                        Originally posted by Scot Pollard View Post
                        IT TAKES CONSTANT WINNING IN INDY!

                        The Colts sellout every game because they've been going to the playoffs every year for the past, I don't know.

                        We've had 90%-100% of the Fieldhouse filled when we were going to the playoffs year after year.

                        We'll probably see 85%-90% filled next season.

                        Pretty much everyone loves basketball here in Indiana especially from the Pacers, but this is all new for everyone here and everyone is getting back onto the Pacers bandwagon. Next season will be much different from an attendance stand point.
                        I love your optimism, this is your main claim about next year, is that attendance will be better. I'm with you, I hope you are right, that would be great. However, it's going to take more than what we've seen in this series against Chicago. Milwaukee thought the same thing last year about their team, they had attendance starting to shoot through the roof, but now... things have changed.

                        I'm with your guarantee, but ONLY if the Pacers start the season winning and keep winning. If we start out 9-11 next year, attendance will be the same and this series will be a distant, not so great, memory.

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                        • Re: One bulls fan arrested, 20 bulls fans thrown out, bulls fans caught tipping trash cans outside conseco

                          Originally posted by graphic-er View Post

                          I dont' get it personally, I thought we Hoosiers love basketball. I certainly grew up loving basketball. I get that football is the popular game now. I've been to my fair share of Colts games and my gosh nothing in a football game compares to playoff game in the NBA. Infact I'm about done with football, I just doesn't hold my interested like basketball.
                          Well, here's how it happened. The Pacers filled their team with "thugs" and many loyal fans were disgusted and vowed to never watch them again. This team is slowly drawing them back, but there are many that haven't watched them in 5 or 6 years, and have no idea that it's a young exciting team. As far as they know, it is still a team of "thugs." Does that help you get it?

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                          • Re: One bulls fan arrested, 20 bulls fans thrown out, bulls fans caught tipping trash cans outside conseco

                            Originally posted by CoolHand View Post
                            Well, here's how it happened. The Pacers filled their team with "thugs" and many loyal fans were disgusted and vowed to never watch them again. This team is slowly drawing them back, but there are many that haven't watched them in 5 or 6 years, and have no idea that it's a young exciting team. As far as they know, it is still a team of "thugs." Does that help you get it?
                            Yeah, get it. However, it's still a pretty stupid viewpoint by them if that's the case.
                            "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.

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                            • Re: One bulls fan arrested, 20 bulls fans thrown out, bulls fans caught tipping trash cans outside conseco

                              i sat at the last row in the lower level and was surrounded by Bulls fans. The ones i were around were families with little kids so they were really respectful. I started feeling bad because i was crazy yelling (not @ them but i'm sure it was annoying to them :P) and cheering on the Pacers...but realized...I'm at Conseco Fieldhouse. Home of the Pacers. Imma yell and root for my home team as loud as i want to. If they wanna come here, they better tolerate my yelling. (but of course i kept my language appropriate to the youngins)

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                              • Re: One bulls fan arrested, 20 bulls fans thrown out, bulls fans caught tipping trash cans outside conseco

                                Originally posted by rock747 View Post
                                Yeah, get it. However, it's still a pretty stupid viewpoint by them if that's the case.
                                I think it's more a lack of education or awareness. This is what I've seen when bringing up the Pacers with co-workers this season (and last season even). I think these playoffs will help greatly.

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