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    Pacers have had some rivalries in the last decade or so.. knicks, pistons, bulls.

    This appears to be the beginning of the rivalry reborn between the Bulls and Pacers.

    I think the Pacers are going to give the Bulls a run for the central division title over the next 5 years.

    I would prefer the pacers position right now over the bulls. Noah is good but offers little offensively. Boozer is overpaid and would prefer Hansbro at a much less expensive salary.

    DRose no doubt is the difference; if Indiana can add a kid like Eric Gordon, I think George is every bit as good as Deng or will be anyways.

    Look for this series to reignite a rivalry between central division teams.

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    Unfortunately, I'd have to disagree about liking our position more than theirs. They've already got their stud to build around, PLUS they have a more attractive market than we do. I also don't think that Boozer is a long-term solution for them, but they've got building blocks. Who knows how things will turn out though? People thought LeBron would stick with his "hometown" Cleveland and make them competitive for another 8 years, but it didn't go that way.

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    If we stay on track and get better as a team. Then yes, this will be a rivalry once again

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    reignite?

    i'm sure the bulls don't even consider the pacers a classic rival. and frankly i don't consider the bulls a former rival of the pacers. fun games in the past, but they always beat us when it mattered.
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    reignite?

    i'm sure the bulls don't even consider the pacers a classic rival. and frankly i don't consider the bulls a former rival of the pacers. fun games in the past, but they always beat us when it mattered.
    To be fair, Michael more or less beat everyone when it mattered.

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    To be fair, Michael more or less beat everyone when it mattered.
    fair enough - the only real team i think of as a rival of the jordan bulls really was the pistons. to a lesser degree maybe maybe the knicks.
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    I don't think there's ever really a rivalry until each side has drawn some blood.

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    To me for a rivalry to exist each side has to win something.

    We had a rivalry with the Knicks but IMO we never had a rivalry with either the Bulls or the Pistons because they beat us each time.


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    When I think of rivalries related to the Pacers, I only consider the Celtics and Knicks. But in all actuality, have the Pacers ever even beat the Celtics in the playoffs?
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    When I think of rivalries related to the Pacers, I only consider the Celtics and Knicks. But in all actuality, have the Pacers ever even beat the Celtics in the playoffs?
    At least twice off the top of my head. Reggie's last season in 7 and the 61 win season in 4.

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    I don't think there's ever really a rivalry until each side has drawn some blood.
    well im pretty certain the pacers made MJ bleed in that 7 game series in 98. the only team too take the bulls too 7 games.

    MJ bled in that series. I recall vividly.

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    the fact of the matter is that the pacers and bulls aren't really rivals. adversaries, maybe. but we've never beaten them ever.

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    well im pretty certain the pacers made MJ bleed in that 7 game series in 98. the only team too take the bulls too 7 games.

    MJ bled in that series. I recall vividly.
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    the fact of the matter is that the pacers and bulls aren't really rivals. adversaries, maybe. but we've never beaten them ever.
    This is the second time EVER that the two teams have met in the playoffs. If the Bulls win the first five series the teams play then we can say things like "we've never beaten them ever."

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    I think it is, but we need to win something to officially renew what was once a rivalry.

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    the fact of the matter is that the pacers and bulls aren't really rivals. adversaries, maybe. but we've never beaten them ever.
    depends on your definition of rivalry i suppose. the Colts had nvr beaten the pats in the playoffs until the SB season, and i would say it was a rivalry way before then.

    you need too look at the history of rivals. the fact the bulls and pacers battled and were central division rivals at minimum, classifies as a rivalry. maybe not as strong as the knicks and pistons, but one nevertheless.

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    Unfortunately, I'd have to disagree about liking our position more than theirs. They've already got their stud to build around, PLUS they have a more attractive market than we do. I also don't think that Boozer is a long-term solution for them, but they've got building blocks. Who knows how things will turn out though? People thought LeBron would stick with his "hometown" Cleveland and make them competitive for another 8 years, but it didn't go that way.
    i agree with the more favorable market.. but what cap room do they have left after noah, booz, and rose?

    i like hansbro more than boozer at a much lower salary. if pacers land Eric Gordon, and I believe it will happen, we have our stud as well, along with George, Hibbert, Hansbro, DC, and whomever else we can acquire with cap space, draft picks, and trades.

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    you need too look at the history of rivals. the fact the bulls and pacers battled and were central division rivals at minimum, classifies as a rivalry. maybe not as strong as the knicks and pistons, but one nevertheless.
    I never considered the Pacers a rival back in the day, either....being in the same division does not automatically qualify as a rivalry.

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    I never considered the Pacers a rival back in the day, either....being in the same division does not automatically qualify as a rivalry.
    so be it.. the pissons didnot really lose much the year of the brawl. it was the pacers it cost a potential championship in Millers last season. maybe during the brawl you as a piston fan recall pacers walking into your place and destroying the defending champions pissons by 20 most of the game.

    i hope the pacers kick the pissons butts for many many seasons to come. my hope is detroit becomes a losing franchise for the next 20 years.

    that is my definition of a rival. behind the knicks is the pissons on my list of franchises i hope go through what the blue & gold have the last 5 years.

    yea..i despise the pissons.

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    I've always looked at the teams we rival to be the Pistons, Knicks, and Bulls.

    The Reggie/Jordan matchup and the meetings during the season and in the playoffs were always notable and it was always good.

    The fans are really looking to stir up this rivalry again as are the players.

    I'm happy we won today so we can say we got a crack in the "rivalry renewed".

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    ehhh. i might agree that the colts and patriots were rivals dating back to their days battling for the 1st pick in the draft or over ron meyer and over which team would not be the first 0-16 team ever. afc east days.

    with regard to the pacers / bulls, we never really beat them. even back to the reggie/jordan days. once in a while, yes, but i don't think the bulls thought of us as a classic rival. if anything we were a backburner team - like jordan said, "playing with reggie miller drives me nuts, its like chicken fighting". thats what it was to them.

    and while this might develop into something, only time will tell. to me its like saying back in 1990 during our coming out party in the playoffs that the pistons would be a rival for the pacers. it never came to be often just because of playoff seeding. lets see.

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    depends on your definition of rivalry i suppose. the Colts had nvr beaten the pats in the playoffs until the SB season, and i would say it was a rivalry way before then.

    you need too look at the history of rivals. the fact the bulls and pacers battled and were central division rivals at minimum, classifies as a rivalry. maybe not as strong as the knicks and pistons, but one nevertheless.
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    well factually my statement is true. and this just goes to show that there really is no current rivalry and never really was one - the fact that we've only met twice in the playoffs, this year being one of those years.

    thanks for pointing that out

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    This is the second time EVER that the two teams have met in the playoffs. If the Bulls win the first five series the teams play then we can say things like "we've never beaten them ever."
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    with regard to the pacers / bulls, we never really beat them. even back to the reggie/jordan days. once in a while, yes, but i don't think the bulls thought of us as a classic rival. if anything we were a backburner team - like jordan said, "playing with reggie miller drives me nuts, its like chicken fighting". thats what it was to them.
    see.
    More proof Jordan was a giant dick.

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    To me for a rivalry to exist each side has to win something.

    We had a rivalry with the Knicks but IMO we never had a rivalry with either the Bulls or the Pistons because they beat us each time.
    I don't know,

    Boston Red Sox and New York Yankees are like..the biggest rivalry ever. And for a LONG time the Red Sox hadn't won anything in years..

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    Count me with those who see the Knicks as a 90's rival but not the Bulls.

    I'd start considering them a rival if we took them to 7, but they wouldn't say the same of us until they lose to us.
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    To me for a rivalry to exist each side has to win something.

    We had a rivalry with the Knicks but IMO we never had a rivalry with either the Bulls or the Pistons because they beat us each time.

    I agree completely. We never had a rivalry with the Bulls. Because I am sure the Bulls didn't think we were in their top 5 or 6 in that category.

    I will say though that what we had with the Pistons although very short term was something a little different because of the brawl - is it a rivalry, maybe not but it was something

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