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    Yeah, get our friends to buy the tickets that the obnoxious Bulls fans are snatching up.
    This. $$$$$.

    Bulls money its as good to them as Pacers. What we can do is buy the damn tickets.

    Plus you habe to hope that people show some decency. I wish the did breath tests to get in, cut down on the hammered people harassing fans.

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    This team will win the fieldhouse back for us. I read the quote from Reggie tonight about how MSA used to be 60% bulls fans in the early 90s until we got good then it wasnt like that anymore. Only negative is it will be harder/more expensive for us non season ticket holders to get in.
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    Yeah, get our friends to buy the tickets that the obnoxious Bulls fans are snatching up.
    I was actually successful at doing this for tonights game. I won't be there for Sat game however. Live too far away.

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    That's unfortunate. I get really into games but they're just entertainment. There's no reason to insult someone who has something in common with you.

    It's also disgusting to read how it was handled by Pacers staff.

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    This team will win the fieldhouse back for us. I read the quote from Reggie tonight about how MSA used to be 60% bulls fans in the early 90s until we got good then it was like that anymore. Only negative is it will be harder/more expensive for us non season ticket holders to get in.
    here's the blurb from ESPN...

    Former Pacer Reggie Miller said he remembers the early 1990s when his team would host the Bulls at Market Square Arena and the crowd would be about 60 percent Bulls fans. He said that changed when the Pacers proved to be legitimate Eastern Conference contenders. Noting Chicago's history of traveling in large numbers, Vogel asked the fans to support the team, joking that metal detectors would keep Bulls fans out of the building. The game was a sellout, and Indiana had a clear advantage in crowd support. Indiana, which was last in the league in attendance during the regular season, had just six sellouts before Thursday's game. ... Rev. Jesse Jackson attended the game to support the Bulls. He stood along the baseline in pregame warmups, and even chatted with Rose for a few moments.

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    Don't any of you have Ticket Reps that you call up to get tickets?

    Maybe if enough of you complain to the Reps that they may actually inform Customer Relations people in the FO about it to step up security.

    This type of behavior can be expected when you go to an opponents game....but at home...that's just terrible.
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    I was the bulls fan who "threw" the shirt. Actually I didn't do anything, rather I was singled out by a bunch of unhappy, trashy drunk Pacers fans. I have never been to any sporting events that was so unprofessional as the game was tonight. The security was a complete joke. I was forced to miss the end of a Bulls win, yet again, because a crowd decided I should go. They ran out of beer on the balcony and I was forced to wait for the entire 2nd quarter to get one. I will never go to another Indianapolis sporting event in fear that they may be as terrible as this. The Pacers fans were complete idiots and instigated all the Bulls fans near me. Sorry that you live in a small market and your team is irrelevant. Also, to all those who are unhappy about the trash talk between the fans, my advice would be to not go to any more games, especially not any playoff games. Terrible experience and Conseco was a joke.



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    Your best bet is to let the Pacers know that you will not return to the fieldhouse unless they make a better effort in controlling the obnoxious fans.

    Don't let them fool you into thinking there is only so much you can do. They need to hire real cops with real guns during the playoffs when they can make a real educated guess what the place is going to be like.

    Ushers or in-house security just doesn't have the same impact to get someone's attention. Now when someone is drunk it probably and usually doesn't matter because they're still going to pull the same stuff. However, everyone around the idiot who still have some of their faculties will get a clue when they realize the guy is escorted out.

    On a side note.....what's funny as hell was the lady usher who just had to check my ticket when my hands were full with a large soda and the massive tray of nachos. She had checked earlier to point out where our seats were. Now I understand it's hard to recognize so many faces, even in a short time. However, I find it a mystery she made sure to check me out wearing my Pacer gear, yet less than a minute later she was helping someone find their handicap spot as Bulls after Bulls fans entered without nary a word. It was almost like she was frightened of them.
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    Thanks for sharing the stories everyone. We were sitting in the lower level and the Bulls fans near us were all pretty well behaved. People who could afford good seats were there to enjoy the game and their seats, not to talk trash and act a damn fool. So you have the Bulls fans in the balcony who were most likely a much younger crowd than the ones in the lower sections. Those fans probably planned their entire trip to Indy around getting **** faced and talking crap to Pacers fans and not actually paying attention to the game. They probably budgeted their money so that they could afford the cheap balcony seat and still have just enough money left to get hammered on whatever their alcohol of choice was. With those type of people, it typically doesn't matter where they're at, they're always douchebags. They also are most likely the "fans" who weren't around during the years between when Jordan left and Rose arrived.
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    A couple of things...

    The NFL started taking this seriously a couple of years ago. At Colts games there are large signs and it flashes on the scoreboard several times, that if there is an issue (a drunk, profanity, fight,whatever...) text your seat location to a certain number and they will dispatch security immediately. The NBA should take note. (Too bad I can never get service on my iPhone in The Luc)

    Also, yes the bulls fans were rough last night but no one....NO ONE, even comes close to Piston and Knick fans when it comes to lacking class. They are some of the worst individuals on the face of the planet. God some of the **** I had to put up with at MSA and later Conseco during those series. Scourge of the Earth.

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    The NFL has the text XXXX to get security.

    Hope you do not mind, I emailed PacersInsider@Pacers.com and mentioned this thread. One of my all time pet peeves are sporting events that are not family friendly.

    Lastly, someone mentioned cell phone video cameras. Great idea.

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    Language is probably one of the biggest red flags to security. If you can't get an usher or other local section person to do anything about it, get one of the security people out on the concourse. This isn't going to be as effective for adults who are there on their own, but if you have a kid with you when you complain you will very likely get quick action.
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    I really would like them to show Reggie hitting "The shot" over Jordan on the jumbotron. And then Kelvin Hayden intercepting Rex Grossman for good measure.

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    I have a question for you seasoned vets.

    I've been to several Pacers Playoff games since 2001, but my wife of 3 years had never experienced it. So, after much deliberation, I bought tix at the last minute and ended up in 221, Row 11. Hey, no such thing as a bad seat.

    Well, heres the issue:

    The game was great. But the Bulls fans around us were awful, completely trashed and disrespectful. Early in the first quarter, a Pacers fan shouted "PACERS" directly at one of the Bulls fans in front of us. Well, the Bulls fan responded by threatening to "kick the **** out of you!" and repeatedly saying, "Do it again, I dare you. Little *****!"

    Well, I was able to calm both down and get back to what was shaping up to be a great game. However, the Bulls fan begins chanting "Hibbert is a ****y, **** the Pacers! You guys SUCK ***!!

    Then, a Pacers fan who had drank a bit too much began chanting "**** the Bulls" over and over. Everyone around him insisted he stop, but the idiot Bulls fan began threatening to come over there and start something, going so far as to get up and start moving. Well, after about 30 seconds of terrible profanity and threats, I stepped in and shoved the drunk Pacers fan out of the way, and told the Bulls fan to chill or get ejected. Right on cue, security shows up and drags the Bulls fan off. Well, the Bulls fan was able to LIE to security (Apparently, I didn't hear the words out of his mouth.) Security let him stay, and ejected the Pacers fan. Just like that.

    First issue: Bulls fan needed to be gone as well. Period. They both needed bounced.

    Second issue: The Bulls fan was calm until the third quarter when he got mouthy again, including flipping the crowd off REPEATEDLY. Well, security comes back because they had recieved MULTIPLE complaints (There were little kids, like 3 to 6, and he was shouting F words like it was what kept him alive). All security does is warn him to calm down, and leaves. At the end of the game, he, showing great originality, shouted "F YOU!" over and over at Pacers fans.

    This was the first ever playoff game my wife had attended, and I had to be on edge the entire time because these disrespectful and DRUNK Bulls fans.

    Who can I contact regarding this? I'm coming back to the game Saturday, should I try to speak with Customer Service?

    I know I could just let it go, but for all the times I've been to Conseco, this was the one time where I was genuinely concerned something would happen.

    By the way, the fans were in section 221, row 10, seats 5-8. Even the Usher was shocked security allowed the Bulls fans to stay.

    Advice? I'm really bummed. Incredible game! Loved it! But, the Chicago fans really hurt the experience.
    Thanks for coming to last night's game. I have forwarded your post to BJ Matthews, the Conseco Fieldhouse Guest Relations Manager. I'd suggest calling her at (317) 917-2500 and providing her your story as she will be better equipped than me to take action.

    Any fan attending the game that is having an issue - especially if you're safety or the safety of others is at risk - should go to the nearest usher or security guard. The playoffs can bring some great intensity to the arena, but that intensity shouldn't cross the line to anything threatening.

    See you Saturday for Game 4 (Home Game 2).

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    I really would like them to show Reggie hitting "The shot" over Jordan on the jumbotron. And then Kelvin Hayden intercepting Rex Grossman for good measure.


    GOD YES!!!!! That would be awesome on many levels......they should show it at the start and end of every quarter.....no...every timeout.....no.... every dead ball....whatever...they could never show it too many times for me especially in front of all those Bulls fans. Awesome idea bro.

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    I'm hoping to see big crowds, loud crowds like that next season and beyond.

    It was a true Indiana basketball atmosphere.

    Never again will we see us dead last in attendance and most likely not in the lower 20s.

    I'm thinking a 16,212 average next season. Lots more ticket packs going.
    In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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    I'm hoping to see big crowds, loud crowds like that next season and beyond.
    It was a true Indiana basketball atmosphere.
    Never again will we see us dead last in attendance and most likely not in the lower 20s.
    I'm thinking a 16,212 average next season. Lots more ticket packs going.
    Amen to that, brother! Hey, BTW, what was Jesse Jackson doing in the house last night?

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    GOD YES!!!!! That would be awesome on many levels......they should show it at the start and end of every quarter.....no...every timeout.....no.... every dead ball....whatever...they could never show it too many times for me especially in front of all those Bulls fans. Awesome idea bro.
    Heh, thanks.

    Anyone else think of any great "Indy over Chicago" moments?

    As for the crowd, I really do think stuff like this is a problem for a lot of people who want to come to events.

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    I was the bulls fan who "threw" the shirt. Actually I didn't do anything, rather I was singled out by a bunch of unhappy, trashy drunk Pacers fans. I have never been to any sporting events that was so unprofessional as the game was tonight. The security was a complete joke. I was forced to miss the end of a Bulls win, yet again, because a crowd decided I should go. They ran out of beer on the balcony and I was forced to wait for the entire 2nd quarter to get one. I will never go to another Indianapolis sporting event in fear that they may be as terrible as this. The Pacers fans were complete idiots and instigated all the Bulls fans near me. Sorry that you live in a small market and your team is irrelevant. Also, to all those who are unhappy about the trash talk between the fans, my advice would be to not go to any more games, especially not any playoff games. Terrible experience and Conseco was a joke.

    This is the joke. I wouldn't put it past some Indy fans to start ****, but there were tons of Bulls fans doing a great job of being ******** all by themselves.

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    I was the bulls fan who "threw" the shirt. Actually I didn't do anything, rather I was singled out by a bunch of unhappy, trashy drunk Pacers fans. I have never been to any sporting events that was so unprofessional as the game was tonight. The security was a complete joke. I was forced to miss the end of a Bulls win, yet again, because a crowd decided I should go. They ran out of beer on the balcony and I was forced to wait for the entire 2nd quarter to get one. I will never go to another Indianapolis sporting event in fear that they may be as terrible as this. The Pacers fans were complete idiots and instigated all the Bulls fans near me. Sorry that you live in a small market and your team is irrelevant. Also, to all those who are unhappy about the trash talk between the fans, my advice would be to not go to any more games, especially not any playoff games. Terrible experience and Conseco was a joke.
    HAHAHAHAHAHA

    I was at the game and the bulls fans were awful guests all night, and after the game they patrolled the hall chanting **** indiana **** indiana... Some bulls fans deserved to be put in their place and yet none were attacked unlike the pacers fans who were getting things thrown at them in the United Center, despite being respectful, unlike the drunken rowdy, rude bulls fans that permeated conseco.

    By the way conseco is a much, much nicer facility than the united center, per unbiased observers and critics and we're playing your elite team awfully close for an "irrelevant" franchise, despite having flexibility to further improve our roster and significant youth.

    As far as trash talk the bulls fans vernacular seemed to consist of only idiotic "MVP MVP" every 5 seconds or incredibly insulting things such as "**** indiana, **** indiana". The bulls fans that attended the game were largely classless, and I can only imagine that they were feeling insecure due to being unable to soundly beat an 8th seeded team.

    The sense of entitlement chicago fans have is baffling, at least teams like the celtics and lakers have proven something, you guys aren't exactly lighting up the world vs. the 8th seed in your "title run" :rollseyes year. Stay classy windy city. I was proud of our fans tonight for enduring the jackasses in red that showed no respect despite not being in chicago. There were lots of them, but our pacers fans were much louder, and didn't stoop down to the level of the chicago fans in games one and two with the pacers/ granger suck chants, every time they tried to start one we drowned them out with cheers, just as it should be.
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    I was forced to miss the end of a Bulls win, yet again, because a crowd decided I should go.
    Is it just me or is the "yet again" kind of a giveaway here?
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    Speaking in general, I would like to see the Conseco staff be very intolerant to any shenanigans by a road team fan in the building. Send them out early and often to show the rest how it's going to be. This kind if misbehavior needs to be snuffed out.

    I'm all for guest who are there to root for their team and to be good natured, but the second they start harassing people, their asses need to be kicked to the curb!

    Besides, you already have their money.....

    I was a little insulted after the game. While standing to talk with other PD people, there were waives of Bulls fans hollering and chanting on there way out. That's one thing, but what got me a little upset was a cluster of them who just lingered, standing at thhe top of the main stairs. Why not send them on their way instead of giving them 15 minutes to egg on the other Bulls fans?

    I guess this wouldn't bother me so much, if not for the fact that after the last Knicks game, WE were being told to move along by CFH staff. Apparently we were too close to the incident between the Knicks fans and other Paces fans. We weren't involved, but off we went.

    If you're going to do that to us, you should do it to them.

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    I have no problem with being a good host in theory. But I also agree that people need to be good guests. Chicago fans calling Pacers fans rednecks, threatening to beat them up for cheering for the home team, and just plain getting drunk and obnoxious should not be acceptable behavior in Conseco. If the ushers are unwilling to enforce the rules, it lies on the fans to get the opposing team fans to shut up or leave.

    I have had mostly a good experience being a Pacers fan at Wizards games wearing a Pacers jersey, but then again I keep my mouth shut, chill out with the Wizards fans around me, and never insult them unless it is obvious good natured joking around. If Chicago fans are going to be disrespectful, then they don't deserve our respect or good graces. I am happy to chill out with and engage with the fans of an opposing team, but I also expect them to respect that they are in our building. Just like you would respect someone's home if you were invited to dinner. I have a big old labrador and my friend's wife forced them to buy this puny little rat dog poodle. That doesn't mean when I go to his house I'm going to kick his dog around and start chanting YOUR DOG SUCKS and wave a picture of my lab in his face.
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    A couple of things...

    The NFL started taking this seriously a couple of years ago. At Colts games there are large signs and it flashes on the scoreboard several times, that if there is an issue (a drunk, profanity, fight,whatever...) text your seat location to a certain number and they will dispatch security immediately. The NBA should take note. (Too bad I can never get service on my iPhone in The Luc)

    Also, yes the bulls fans were rough last night but no one....NO ONE, even comes close to Piston and Knick fans when it comes to lacking class. They are some of the worst individuals on the face of the planet. God some of the **** I had to put up with at MSA and later Conseco during those series. Scourge of the Earth.
    While I understand what you are saying I am going to disagree about N.Y. fans.

    For the most part all of the ones I have dealt with over the years were great fans and knew the game.

    In fact one of the best playoff game I have ever been to I sat next to a Knicks fan and he & I talked about basektball and players the entire game sharing our opinions. It was a blast, well we won that game so that helped.

    This guy was a gentleman 100% through & through. Never once talked trash, never once cursed. When his team lost he said "Hopefully next time" and we parted ways.

    As I'm leaving MSA I decide to stop in the bathroom. Much to my horror there is this N.Y. fan laying on the floor with this idiot drunken Pacer fan standing over him. For wearing his N.Y. shirt the drunkard decided that he should hit him from behind. I did what I could to get him out of there but it took several security people & eventually Police to clear the bathroom.

    Idiots come in all shapes and sizes.

    However Bulls fans do hold a special place in the rankings of idiots. In some way's they almost can't help themselves because as a team they have a really weird history.

    They usually are nothing, often times less than nothing, then all of a sudden they have one of the best players of all time. Greatness for slightly over a decade and then nothingness again. Then they get another of the the great players and they are back up again.

    Their fans only really know greatness & sucking, it's almost like there is never a building phase for them.

    Pacer fans have never had a great player, we have always had to build and frankly have never been to the top.

    Our fans are a little more used to humility than what they are.

    I used to have a test back in the day to determine who was a real Bulls fan and who was a front running Jordan Jock sniffer. If they couldn't tell me who the "A-train" was then I knew they were just followers of his airness.

    I need to come up with something new for them. Maybe something about Bill Winnington.


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    I was the bulls fan who "threw" the shirt. Actually I didn't do anything, rather I was singled out by a bunch of unhappy, trashy drunk Pacers fans. I have never been to any sporting events that was so unprofessional as the game was tonight. The security was a complete joke. I was forced to miss the end of a Bulls win, yet again, because a crowd decided I should go. They ran out of beer on the balcony and I was forced to wait for the entire 2nd quarter to get one. I will never go to another Indianapolis sporting event in fear that they may be as terrible as this. The Pacers fans were complete idiots and instigated all the Bulls fans near me. Sorry that you live in a small market and your team is irrelevant. Also, to all those who are unhappy about the trash talk between the fans, my advice would be to not go to any more games, especially not any playoff games. Terrible experience and Conseco was a joke.
    Guess what, we don't want your *** in the building in you're going to disrespect us and not act like a guest. Screw off and enjoy your team in the United Center where you're free to act like an ******* instead!
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