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    That is the luxury you have when you have a player like Rose and we don't have that, so the coach needs to be more creative, not blaming this loss on Vogel but I'm dissapointed that he can only call the same BS Iso plays JOB used to call.

    I believe this board has incredibly unrealistic expectations of what coaches are able to do for NBA teams.

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    I believe this board has incredibly unrealistic expectations of what coaches are able to do for NBA teams.
    Exactly.

    A coach can draw up a brilliant play, but it won't mean anything if the players don't execute it.

    I've seen a few great plays by Vogel to know he's capable of it. Our team, unfortunately, has "takebadshotsitus" And they are young..

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    I believe this board has incredibly unrealistic expectations of what coaches are able to do for NBA teams.

    A point I've been trying to make for 4 seasons. so many thought I was defendiong the man, but really I was defending the position
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    I believe this board has incredibly unrealistic expectations of what coaches are able to do for NBA teams.
    Well I think this is easy to prove:
    Pacers team with JOB= no playoffs

    Pacers team with Vogel=playoffs, yep coaches make a huge difference.

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    Well I think this is easy to prove:
    Pacers team with JOB= no playoffs

    Pacers team with Vogel=playoffs, yep coaches make a huge difference.

    that wasn't his point. he was talking about how fans expect the coach to be able to get his team a good shot at the end of games.

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    Default Re: Frank Vogel-Great story, not a good coach.

    To anyone who thinks Vogel is not a good coach then you're clearly not paying attention to the playoffs.

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    that wasn't his point. he was talking about how fans expect the coach to be able to get his team a good shot at the end of games.
    Well I think is because the same fans get to watch other games and see other coaches calling better last second plays that are not iso plays, how many times are we going to bang our heads against the wall to know that iso plays don't work for this team?

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    Also if Vogel is kept. They need to hire a good offensive assistant coach.

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    Aj price has killed any momentum this team has had.
    You do understand the caliber team the Bulls are right? And do you understand the caliber we are? Vogel has coached us to I believe, the most "exciting" playoff series right now. He's coached us great and made us look like a team worthy of being in the playoffs.
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    I'm just tired of seeing our Back up point guard pound the ball for 10 seconds and not running the offense. I'd rather have TJ out there.
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    I'm just tired of seeing our Back up point guard pound the ball for 10 seconds and not running the offense. I'd rather have TJ out there.
    TJ would pound it for 20sec.

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    I say let Jeff run the point.
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    Well I think is because the same fans get to watch other games and see other coaches calling better last second plays that are not iso plays, how many times are we going to bang our heads against the wall to know that iso plays don't work for this team?
    How do we know it is an iso play called? Tonight I didn't think it was. Execution wasn't there.

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    I'm just tired of seeing our Back up point guard pound the ball for 10 seconds and not running the offense. I'd rather have TJ out there.
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    I am re-watching the game and I have not seen an iso play the whole 4th quarter and there is less than 2 minutes to go in the game.

    almost every play has been a pick and roll or Granger coming off screens

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    Default Re: Frank Vogel-Great story, not a good coach.

    To people bemoaning the iso calls at the end of games: Look around the NBA. That is 90% of what is called at the end of games. Isos for your best player. It's a call every coach makes because they all subscribe to the "get the ball in the hands of your best player" philosophy.

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    You can't let aj price do what he's done all 3 games. You cannot let this guy suck the life and every ounce of momentum out of your team like that. You have a veteran pg on the bench that actually runs plays and is much quicker and won't pound the ball for 24 seconds. I'm sorry, you cannot be the coach if you can't see this. You just can't. Price has killed this team.
    Where the heck is the triple thank button?? Anyway, I don't agree with Vogel not being a good coach. I think he's at least done enough to earn a shot at a full season with these guys. We's be discussing how likely we are to win the lottery with 1 ball under JOB right now.

    But you're absolutely right about price. I've never gotten so down so fast on a guy as I have with him. Simply awful. DC, DJ and TJ should see all guard PT, with AJ only playing in garbage time.

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    To people bemoaning the iso calls at the end of games: Look around the NBA. That is 90% of what is called at the end of games. Isos for your best player. It's a call every coach makes because they all subscribe to the "get the ball in the hands of your best player" philosophy.
    Im sure many would agree that the Iso play is by far the weakest portion of Danny's offensive game. I'd rank his skill set best to worst as follows:

    1. Catch and Shoot
    2. Screen Game
    3. Post Game
    4. Isolation

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    Default Re: Frank Vogel-Great story, not a good coach.

    There were no iso plays run in the fourth quarter

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    Wow, this thread is terrible.

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    There were no iso plays run in the fourth quarter
    What was that garbage at the end of the game then?

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    What was that garbage at the end of the game then?
    That is a set play we have ran all season just basic PnR at first that was a option but the main option. Is to set Granger up for the shot he got. With an option to drive if he felt he could. But DC didnt leave him enoght time for that option. I think the Bulls knew it was coming.(he didnt get good sepration which is why he didnt get the best look)


    It is simlar to the baseline end bound play. Where we give it to Hibbert by the 3pt line and Danny just runs around him and gets a open look from the Hibbert pick.

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    It's not as if Tom Thibodeau drew up some creative, unpredictable play for his team's game winning possession. He gave the ball to Rose and told everyone else to get out of the way.
    Exactly, Vogel has been the better coach by a mile during this seasons. It is easy to coach a team when all you have to do is say, "Get the ball to Rose."

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    The bulls are a much better team than us...end of story. We have played beyond our talent level this entire series. To me when a team plays beyond their talent level...that is the sign of a good coach.

    Not saying we are not talented...because we are. But we are NOT Bulls level talented.
    I completely and utterly disagree, given fair refs and I have absolutely no doubt the Pacers would be up at least 2-1 if not 3-0 if we had fair and even refs. I mean seriously Boozer pushes Hansbrough to the ground and it is a foul on Hansbrough. You have to be in denial to not see it.

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    Re: the last play, Granger indicates that the coaching staff drew up three or four different options and implies both that the Chicago D stepped up and that the guys failed to execute. It was not supposed to be iso ball or the highly contested shot he ended up taking.

    "We had three or four different options. They took them away from us," said Granger. "This is part of lack of ball movement and inexperience. We’re a young team. This is a little disappointing because we need to win at least one of these."

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    Re: the last play, Granger indicates that the coaching staff drew up three or four different options and implies both that the Chicago D stepped up and that the guys failed to execute. It was not supposed to be iso ball or the highly contested shot he ended up taking.

    "We had three or four different options. They took them away from us," said Granger. "This is part of lack of ball movement and inexperience. We’re a young team. This is a little disappointing because we need to win at least one of these."

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