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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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People are talking Pacer Basketball again

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  • #16
    Re: People are talking Pacer Basketball again

    Originally posted by Scot Pollard View Post
    The Indiana pride in basketball is back!


    No longer will I have to mention my disappointment in our attendance.
    I wouldn't quite say its over yet. The Pacers have to play better ball next season for sure. Charlotte's popularity reached an all time high last year in the playoffs and the interest once again dwindled to almost nothing in recent times.

    And we have to hope there isn't a lockout. That will kill any momentum.
    Check out my autographed 1972-73 Topps basketball project

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    • #17
      Re: People are talking Pacer Basketball again

      Originally posted by MagicRat View Post
      The Pacers even got a mention on "The Middle" tonight......
      I love that show.

      About freakin' time they mentioned the Pacers and not just the Colts.
      In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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      • #18
        Re: People are talking Pacer Basketball again

        Originally posted by Deadshot View Post
        I wouldn't quite say its over yet. The Pacers have to play better ball next season for sure. Charlotte's popularity reached an all time high last year in the playoffs and the interest once again dwindled to almost nothing in recent times.

        And we have to hope there isn't a lockout. That will kill any momentum.
        The Bobcats really rose in the attendance standings I've noticed to the mid 15,000s.

        I think the Pacers might go a bit higher than that.

        A lockout might have some impact on people wanting to buy ticket packs.

        Between the NFL and the NBA, those in Indy will have nothing to do if they both reach the start of the season.
        In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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        • #19
          Re: People are talking Pacer Basketball again

          Agreed.

          A few days ago leaving work I put on a more relaxing change of clothes that included a Pacer sweatshirt. On my way out of the building in the elevator I had a lady say "Go Pacers" after seeing my shirt, and while walking to my car in the parking garage I had a guy say "It's a shame they didn't win, I'm really starting to get behind this team".

          Normally my Pacers gear draws little to no attention.
          Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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          • #20
            Re: People are talking Pacer Basketball again

            My oldest son is not an NBA fan at all. However, today he told me he watched the Pacers playing Game 2 in Chicago and was really impressed with them. He said he hopes that Collison can go Thursday because he thought the Pacers could get one of these upcoming home games. He said he could see why I like the Pacers. I was surprised to say the least.

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            • #21
              Re: People are talking Pacer Basketball again

              All these stories are fantastic by the way. This should equate to a higher attendance number next year which is exactly what the Pacers organization needs.
              GO PACERS!!!

              Twitter: @Circlecity3318

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              • #22
                Re: People are talking Pacer Basketball again

                I am so encouraged by hearing all this.

                Obviously, living out here in La La Land, no one gives a rats behind about our beloved Pacers because it's 'ALL BOUT DA BLACK MAMBA BABY!1!!1!!!'

                I am so thrilled to hear that the local fans are starting to come out of their long hibernation

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                • #23
                  Re: People are talking Pacer Basketball again

                  Hoosiers cannot resist basketball when it is good basketball.

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                  • #24
                    Re: People are talking Pacer Basketball again

                    I hear everyone talking about Pacers too.. So exciting! And no matter what has happened over the last 5 years, anytime someone talks about the Pacers it has always been the same regardless-"I stopped watching because Reggie retired, or I stopped watching because I was tired of watching thugs"

                    Now the only thing I hear is, "I love watching Paul George" or "Tyler Hansbrough is awesome" etc... People are falling in love with the team all over!

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                    • #25
                      Re: People are talking Pacer Basketball again

                      I want to know what the local TV ratings are for the first two games. Antecdotes are good, but the TV ratings will tell me a lot more about interest.

                      National interest in the pacers vs Bulls is really high, about as high as Celts vs Knicks.

                      http://www.sportsmediawatch.net/2011...-up-27-on.html

                      NBA Playoffs: TNT's Ratings Up 27% on Through Tuesday


                      Boosted by the Pacers/Bulls and Knicks/Celtics series, the 2011 NBA Playoffs continue to attract strong numbers on TNT.

                      TNT is averaging a 2.8 U.S. rating and 4.376 million viewers for coverage of the 2011 NBA Playoffs through Tuesday, up 27% in ratings and 29% in viewership from the comparable point last year (2.2, 3.383M).

                      On Tuesday, Game 2 between the Knicks and Celtics drew a 3.0 U.S. rating and 4.730 million viewers, up 58% in ratings and 65% in viewership from last year (MIA/BOS G2: 1.9, 2.874M), and up 25% and 28%, respectively, from 2009 (DET/CLE G2: 2.4, 3.699M).

                      The first two games of the Knicks/Celtics series have each drawn at least 3% of U.S. TV homes. To put that in perspective, only two first round games on cable hit that mark last year -- Games 5 and 6 of the Thunder/Lakers series.

                      Later Tuesday night, Trail Blazers/Mavericks Game 2 drew a 2.5 and 3.846 million viewers, flat in ratings and up 3% in viewership from last year (OKC/LAL G2: 2.5, 3.741M), and up 4% and 7%, respectively, from 2009 (UTA/LAL G2: 2.4, 3.607M).

                      Monday night, the Bulls' Game 2 win over the Pacers drew a 3.1 and 4.908 million viewers, up 48% in ratings and 56% in viewership from last year (UTA/DEN G2: 2.1, 3.149M), and up 48% and 65%, respectively, from 2009 (DAL/SA G2: 2.1, 2.983M).

                      Pacers/Bulls Game 2 stands as the second-most viewed game of the playoffs on cable through Tuesday night.

                      In Monday's early game, Miami's Game 2 blowout of the 76ers drew a 2.1 and 3.402 million viewers, down 19% in ratings and 13% in viewership from last year (CHI/CLE G2: 2.6, 3.907M), and down 19% and 10%, respectively, from 2009 (CHI/BOS G2: 2.6, 3.760M).

                      Though the Heat have been the driving force behind the NBA's increased ratings this season, Monday's numbers indicate that the 76ers/Heat series may not be as enthralling to viewers as Pacers/Bulls. Of course, Monday's disparity can be at least partly attributed to the later timeslot for the Pacers/Bulls game.

                      Thursday night, Heat/76ers Game 3 will air on TNT, while Bulls/Pacers Game 3 airs on NBA TV.

                      (Numbers from Turner Sports; additional information from
                      Last edited by Unclebuck; 04-21-2011, 08:24 AM.

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                      • #26
                        Re: People are talking Pacer Basketball again

                        There are a few people down here in Bloomington and I've seen someone in a Pacers shirt in Bedford this past week, too.

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                        • #27
                          Re: People are talking Pacer Basketball again

                          here is some news about the national ratings for Saturdays game #1

                          http://www.sportsmediawatch.net/2011...s-way-for.html


                          NBA Playoffs: Pacers/Bulls Leads the Way For ESPN Saturday


                          The 2011 NBA Playoffs got off to a strong start on ESPN, led by Game 1 of the Pacers/Bulls series.

                          ESPN drew a 2.4 U.S. rating and 3.567 million viewers for the Bulls' win over the Pacers Saturday afternoon, up 20% in ratings and 23% in viewership from 2009 (CHI/BOS G1: 2.0, 2.893M), and up 26% and 28%, respectively, from 2008 (WSH/CLE G1: 1.9, 2.798M).

                          There was no game in the comparable timeslot (1 PM ET) last year. The first game of last year's tripleheader (MIL/ATL G1: 5:30 PM ET) drew a 1.5 and 2.160 million viewers.

                          Pacers/Bulls Game 1 ranks as ESPN's highest rated opening weekend NBA Playoff game since Rockets/Lakers Game 1 in 2004 (2.7).

                          Later Saturday, the Hawks' Game 1 win over the Magic drew a 2.1 and 3.328 million viewers, down 16% in ratings and 13% in viewership from last year (MIA/BOS G1: 2.5, 3.821M), but up 24% and 38%, respectively, from 2009 (DAL/SA G1: 1.7, 2.416M).

                          Excluding games on ABC (ratings for those telecasts are not yet available), Hawks/Magic was the only playoff game of the weekend to have a decline in ratings or viewership versus last year's comparable window.

                          In the nightcap, the Trail Blazers' Game 1 loss to the Mavericks drew a 2.1 and 3.456 million viewers, up 11% in ratings and 18% in viewership from last year (UTA/DEN G1: 1.9, 2.921M), and flat in ratings and up 12% in viewership from 2009 (HOU/POR G1: 2.1, 3.091M).

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                          • #28
                            Re: People are talking Pacer Basketball again

                            I know I should be happy about this, but the same people who gave me crap all season long about the "Pacers sucking" are wearing Pacers gear in my office today. Sometimes I truly hate this city.

                            Good for the Pacers, though.
                            Passion. Pride. Patience. Pacers

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                            • #29
                              Re: People are talking Pacer Basketball again

                              Lets pray we see about 18,000 pacers shirts tonight.

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                              • #30
                                Re: People are talking Pacer Basketball again

                                I live 3 states down and some coworker friends of mine and a few of my neighbors know I'm a "Yankee living in the south" and that I'm a Pacers/Colts/Notre Dame fan. When they started asking me about the Pacers/Bulls series...

                                I'll say that again...

                                ...the "Pacers"/Bulls series, not Bulls/Pacers...

                                ...I knew this team had started to raise eyebrows again in a positive way. Most people I've talked to clearly acknowledge that the Bulls are lucky to be up 2-0. Many even complained about the poor officiating that favored the Bulls both games.

                                So, yeah. It's not just locally; the Pacers have gained the attention of people far outside Naptown. I just wish I could spare the time and get a few tickets to the home games.

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