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So Paul George hit the gym at four or five in the morning..

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  • #16
    Re: So Paul George hit the gym at four or five in the morning..

    Originally posted by Thoreau87 View Post

    More importantly, he needs to hit the film room. His decision making is what killed him. There's no reason he shouldn't drop 20 on Korver.
    Wasn't HIS decision making....Vogel said they run very few offensive plays/sets for George. I expect that to change dramatically over time.
    http://twitter.com/#!/makaveli1376

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    • #17
      Re: So Paul George hit the gym at four or five in the morning..

      I'd rather PG focus on his defense. He plays D like he did last night, and we'll win some games without his offense.

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      • #18
        Re: So Paul George hit the gym at four or five in the morning..

        Work ethic like this is what the Pacers have been missing. Glad to see a rookie stepping up like this. I'm looking forward to his transformation into the next Tracy McGrady.

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        • #19
          Re: So Paul George hit the gym at four or five in the morning..

          Man, how can you not love this guy.

          He put on one of the best defensive performances I have seen this year and still wasn't satisfied.

          I just have this feeling that he is going to play even better in game 3 than he did in game 2.

          The Bulls aren't going to get as many calls on the road, and I think this is going to allow Paul to be even more aggressive.

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          • #20
            Re: So Paul George hit the gym at four or five in the morning..

            This is what L.Bird meant when he was saying these kids will learn more in the next 2 wks then they did all year. This is the spirit I have seen from Roy at times, & wish I saw more in others. Love to know if any teammates joined him. If not, too bad.
            "Larry Bird: You are Officially On the Clock! (3/24/08)"
            (Watching You Like A Hawk!)

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            • #21
              Re: So Paul George hit the gym at four or five in the morning..

              I hope someone at least rebounded for him.


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              • #22
                Re: So Paul George hit the gym at four or five in the morning..

                Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
                Work ethic like this is what the Pacers have been missing. Glad to see a rookie stepping up like this. I'm looking forward to his transformation into the next Tracy McGrady.
                I hope!

                T-Mac was awesome defensively as well when he came into the league.

                Both have great length.

                T-Mac's defense started to decline ever since he became an offensive force and started taking defensive plays off.

                I'm not too sold on George's offensive game so far though.

                His handles seem really iffy and his jump shot is inconsistent.

                We'll see though, just work hard George, you have all the tools to be great!

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                • #23
                  Re: So Paul George hit the gym at four or five in the morning..

                  This is what makes Paul George different from guys like Shawne Williams, James White, etc.

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                  • #24
                    Re: So Paul George hit the gym at four or five in the morning..

                    Poor Paul George.

                    I just watched the Game 2 post game interview and he's really taking the loss hard. You can hear it in his voice and see it on his face. He even said as much in his first comment, that his mistakes cost them the game down the stretch.

                    I think Vogel needs to keep starting him, but I'd go with Granger, Hans and Dahntey in crunch time at the 2, 4 and 3, respectively. If defense wins ball games and you need somebody at either to 2 or 3 who can handle the ball, play solid defense, create his own shot and draw fouls, this trio will get the job done. I'm 100% confident of that.

                    Again, I'm only suggesting doing this during those last 3 minutes. Otherwise, George starts and gets the primary defensive assignment on Rose.

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                    • #25
                      Re: So Paul George hit the gym at four or five in the morning..

                      Originally posted by makaveli View Post
                      Wasn't HIS decision making....Vogel said they run very few offensive plays/sets for George. I expect that to change dramatically over time.
                      They hardly ever run a play for him. Everything he gets his from fastbreak or breaking the offense or a jump shot.

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                      • #26
                        Re: So Paul George hit the gym at four or five in the morning..

                        http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/blog_brunner.html#110420

                        George relishes challenge of guarding Rose

                        April 20, 2011

                        Given Derrick Rose's 36 points in Game 2, following 39 in Game 1, you might develop the impression the Pacers are concerned about the player assigned to defend the Chicago point guard.
                        You would, of course, be wrong.

                        "I give him an A-plus," Frank Vogel said of Paul George's work.

                        Assigning a rookie wing player to defend any point guard is a bold move. Assigning a rookie wing player to defend this point guard, the hottest player in the game, the likely league MVP, is something else entirely.

                        Then again, so is George.

                        When the Pacers returned home from Chicago after a 96-90 loss in Game 2 Monday night, George did not head home for some much-needed rest. Instead, at 4 a.m., he and a friend drove straight to Conseco Fieldhouse for a couple of hours of extra work.

                        George said he put up around 1,000 shots and ran through some plays that had given him problems.

                        "I was more motivated than anything so me and my (friend) came in, got some shots up, he rebounded for me, got a lot of free throws," George said. "I just went through the scenarios that I turned the ball over late in the game. The play that coach Frank kept calling for me where I was isolated at the top, I kept going through that series just so that doesn't happen again."

                        George had four blocked shots and three steals in Game 2. Vogel said he set a team record with 18 deflections.

                        "I thought he was spectacular on (Rose)," said Vogel. "A couple of breakdowns but a couple of breakdowns over the course of a long game, I thought he did a great job. He was great with his hands, great with his angles. I was just very proud of him."

                        George has done extensive film study on Rose to try to pick up some tendencies. With each game, he learns a little more, develops a more detailed plan of attack. Shutting down Rose is out of the question. Making his life difficult is the first step.

                        "He had me tired, legs cramping, back sore," George said. "I tried to give him my all, really tried to force him to take some tough shots and make him try to make some tough passes, and really tried to get the ball out of his hands. But he's a great scorer, a great player and he ultimately made the best plays."

                        Since moving into the starting lineup on March 9, George's emphasis has shifted from offense to defense. With the second unit he was more of a go-to guy. With the first unit, he's trying be the stopper.

                        His commitment to that role has made a big impression on Vogel.

                        "You see talented guys come into this league every single year and some of them blossom and some of them don't," he said. "It's about what you're made up of inside. And that kid is made up of hunger and the ability to learn, the ability to listen, the desire to be great.

                        "Aside from his physical talents, all those things give us a great deal of hope and belief that kid's going to be special."

                        George is not expected to stop Rose. He is not expected to contain him one-on-one. All five Indiana defenders have a role to play. George is the man on point, so to speak.

                        However this series turns out, the Pacers have learned quite a bit about their prized rookie, the No. 10 pick in the 2010 NBA Draft. George is one of those rare players who not only has the talent but the desire, the will, the work ethic, to become special.

                        It's a long journey from here to there but that early-morning trip to the gym shows George knows the way.
                        This guy is unbelievable. Hard to believe he is a rookie.

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                        • #27
                          Re: So Paul George hit the gym at four or five in the morning..

                          That article probably deserves a thread of it's own. There are a great deal of juicy quotes in there.

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                          • #28
                            Re: So Paul George hit the gym at four or five in the morning..

                            Paul George is going to be a very special player for us. He has the talent of Tracy McGrady and the work ethic of Kobe.

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                            • #29
                              Re: So Paul George hit the gym at four or five in the morning..

                              Originally posted by KingGeorge View Post
                              http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/blog_brunner.html#110420



                              This guy is unbelievable. Hard to believe he is a rookie.

                              I've been telling all my friends (all magic and bulls fans) that he's going to be incredible ina few years. I'm 100% confident he'll be the best Pacer in three years and maybe a top player in the league in due time. He just has it all.

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                              • #30
                                Re: So Paul George hit the gym at four or five in the morning..

                                Another Article on George:

                                http://www.indystar.com/article/2011...ate-night-work

                                Indiana Pacers rookie Paul George didn't go straight home after the team returned from Chicago at 3 a.m. Tuesday. He made a detour to Conseco Fieldhouse.
                                "I was more motivated than anything," George said. "Me and (a friend) came in and got some shots up. He rebounded for me, and I got up a lot of free throws."
                                George took about 1,000 shots over a 90-minute span before finally deciding it was time to go to bed.
                                George is shooting only 33 percent from the field, including 20 percent on 3-pointers, in the series.
                                "That kid is made up of hunger and the ability to learn and listen, the desire to be great," interim coach Frank Vogel said. "And aside from his physical talents, all those things just give us a great deal of hope and belief that kid is going to be special."
                                As impressed as Vogel was with George's late-night shooting, the coach wants the rookie's focus to be on trying to find a way to slow Chicago's Derrick Rose.
                                Rose scored 36 points Monday, but George's length, athleticism and instincts made it challenging at times on the league's probable Most Valuable Player.
                                "He's a tough matchup," George said. "He had me tired, legs cramping, back sore. I just tried to give him all I had and force him to take some tough shots and force him to make some tough passes. He's a great scorer."
                                George was only 2-of-7 from the field, but he had four blocks, three steals and 18 deflections, according to Vogel.
                                "I thought he (George) was spectacular on (Rose)," Vogel said. "A couple of breakdowns over the course of a long game, but I thought he did a great job. He was great with his hands, he was great with his angles. I was just very proud of him."
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                                Trapping Rose worked well, at times
                                The Pacers threw a different wrinkle into their quest to find a way to slow Rose on Monday. They started sending two-man traps at him in an attempt to get the ball out of his hands.
                                The Pacers began practicing their trapping defense last week because they knew they would have to use it at some point in the series.
                                The Pacers paid the price for trying to trap Rose in the fourth quarter, however.
                                Rose got the ball to Joakim Noah, who took a couple of dribbles toward the basket before finding an open Kyle Korver in the corner for a 3-pointer that put the Bulls up five with about a minute left.
                                "We know he's hurt us very, very badly in the fourth quarter two games in a row and we were doing a very good job on him in the fourth," Vogel said about Rose. "We just wanted to see what it looked like. It seemed pretty effective. We forced a couple of turnovers, so we stayed with it. We didn't execute the last one down the stretch, which burned us."
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                                Rebounding woes still an issue
                                Vogel said Rose isn't the Pacers' biggest problem. It's their inability to rebound. The Bulls outrebounded the Pacers by 24 in Game 2. Chicago has grabbed 41 offensive rebounds in the series.
                                "We have to play more physical and keep penetration out of the lane. It starts by keeping the ball out of the paint," Vogel said.
                                "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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