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    If anyone pays attention to me, which is probly not the case you probly know that I was one of the rather small group supporters who loved the Hansbrough pick, when most were screaming that his game wouldn't translate to the pro level.

    To me, it was ridiculous at the time for people to think that, but that was the consensus of many many basketball heads. Looking back, I'm guessing, or at least hoping, that a lot of people are now realizing that yes... that was a ridiculous notion (to think that he couldn't play at this level).

    I understand why a lot of people did think it though... When it comes to body parts, the guy doesn't have an 8-foot wing-span, a 40-inch vertical, a 4.25 40 yard dash, but he has something 99% of players don't have and I feel like everyone was completely disregarding --- the heart of a champion. In fact, if you could measure that alone, I could argue that there are maybe 1-2 players in the entire NBA who have equal or more of that particular measurement (Kobe, Rose). Kobe and Rose have ridiculous physical gifts --- Hansbrough does not. He achieved everything he did through sheer determination and will. It's tremendous to think about.

    If you were to follow Hansbrough on a purely virtual level through college, and not have access to actually visualize him, you'd think he was far and away a #1 pick, a sure-fire franchise player. Looking at his college stats and achievements, he was arguably the best college player in a decade.

    The problem occurred when people looked at him. He's non-descript. He's not huge. He's not stupidly fast. He wasn't jumping out of the gym. He wasn't raining threes from halfcourt. He's just this... dude. This white dude who can't jump. And bam --- expectations lowered.

    So it was no irony, to me, when another non-descript white dude who couldn't jump with generally-regarded non-athleticism but equally impressive college achievements (maybe even less) --- drafted him. Larry Bird said "I like this guy."

    That should be enough for anyone to say "hey, you know what, I make the correlation, and if Bird likes this guy, he's legit." Instead --- everyone said horrible pick. Reach.

    He started off his rookie year like any rookie, with little playing time, some bumps, a lot of adjustments to make, but we never really got to see the kid. Then the vertigo thing happened. Freak development... (and I happen to sympathize with Hansbrough on this because I too suffer from bouts of vertigo, and I know how much it can suck). I had a feeling that they would get it straightened out though, because my vertigo straightens out. It was just a matter of time.

    When he finally recovered, I made the realization that the new hurdle for Hansbrough to cross was Jim O'Brien. About this time I was starting to really want to move on with a new coach for a ton of reasons (mainly for a better team system and new culture), but increased involvement for Hansbrough was one of those reasons, too.

    Vogel was just what the doctor ordered. He did a lot of things right, imo, but one of them was putting more of the team on Hansbrough.

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    Remember the 6-game losing streak that made the Pacers look like they could've been beaten by my little brother's AAU team? Think back to that stretch of hapless basketball. To that stretch of ball that put us back out of the playoffs, and had many people thinking "tank." Think back to the turning point when all looked lost... the mood changed.

    It was Hansbrough. You could see it. When all the rest of the players were sleep-walking through a long series of unfortunate possessions and not seeming to care, it was Hansbrough who came in and without saying a word but using pure energy and determination told all of Pacers nation --- I'm not giving up. The rest of this Pacers nation probably has, but not me.

    It was during the worst stretch of Pacers basketball that I can remember that Hansbrough showed his heart, by throwing out 17, 26, 21, 20, 29, and 30. When everyone else got worse, he got better, when no one thought he could. He can. Few players have this ability.

    That's the heart of a champion. His level of play stirred everyone, from players to fans. And we played ourselves back into the playoffs the rest of the way. What if Tyler Hansbrough hadn't have happened? Would we be talking playoffs today?

    When the experts were predicting that we'd be swept, I thought "you may be right". But there's one player that I can't count out. I was thinking, "It's the playoffs. Post season. That's Tyler Hansbrough time." You KNEW this guy was going to show up. This is where he made a living in college.

    The Pacers came out and delivered a statement in Game 1, even if they did dominate the Bulls for all but 2.5 mins of the game only to lose it at the end. And while we had great contributions from many players, it was the play of Hansbrough that set the tone. His energy, scrappiness, will to win rippled throughout the entire team. His killer jumpshots were clutch. This 37-45 team wasn't supposed to be answering Chicago's runs, but here he was knocking down huge shot after huge shot. We weren't supposed to be leading by 10 with 3 to go, but there's Hansbrough coming back from being almost knocked unconscious to steal the ball at the top of the key (how often do you see a PF do that?) and thunder down the court for a huge dunk and-1 that sent the Chicago fans reeling. That happened with 3 minutes to go in a playoff game against the best team in the league on their home court. Don't think this guy has a killer instinct or the heart of a champion?

    The rest of the game showed that this young team still needs to learn to close a game out, but you know everyone in that stadium, as Frank Vogel said, "doesn't want to play Tyler Hansbrough" anymore. Boozer doesn't wanna play Tyler Hansbrough. As ridiculous as that sounded to many a few months ago when Vogel declared it... it's not sounding so ridiculous now.

    He's my new favorite Pacer, even if he doesn't have Michael Jordan's physical gifts. On top of his intrinsic gifts, he plays the game right, he is respectful, he never gives up, and he is going to represent the Pacers well. He's a championship level player, a guy who can contribute to a championship team and maybe even be a focal point. He's exactly what everyone thought he couldn't be.
    Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 04-18-2011, 11:03 AM.
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    Great post Kid

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      I like how people talk about Rose having the heart of a champion and he gets compared with Kobe.

      He hasn't even won a ****ing playoff series yet.


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        I don't watch much college basketball except for March Madness. So, I knew very little about Tyler Hansborough on draft night. But when I started hearing the announcers talk about his college stats and accomplishments, I figured I'd look the guy up online and see what all the fuss was about. I must admit, I was very impressed...

        Four-time All-American. You don't accomplish such a feat unless you can really play basketball. People criticized him for being one of those players who doesn't score very many points from the field, but instead gets to the foul line and gets his points that way. Well, if you look at how many times Derrick Rose got to the line (atleast 21 times), is it any different? No, Tyler Hansborough won't score the ball using fancy, flashy moves, but he's as tough as they come and will fight for every possession. Next to Jeff Foster, he's the scrappiest player on the team.

        Now, Tyler still needs to work on his game, specifically playing more under control and driving hard to the rim AND finishing, but I think he certainly has what it takes to be a force in this league.

        I'm glad the Pacers got him. It's what this team has been missing since the Davis Boys left....someone who plays "smash-mouth basketball" and isn't afraid to get in their band throw his body around. But more important, he can score the ball.
        Last edited by NuffSaid; 04-18-2011, 11:04 AM.

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          In the short term I am anxious to see how he responds to the Bulls defense when they adjust.

          But longterm, I've been a big fan of Tyler's since I first saw him play last season, and he's come a long way since then for sure. Anyone who plays as hard and tough as he does and has the skills he does is a keeper.

          He's the type of player who I never worry about having trouble dealing with pressure of a big game. Although I was scared to death when he was laying on the floor last game and then almost fell in the tunnel all the while saying he was OK.

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            The big thing that impressed me was that he hit his first shot right after he went off. I almost didn't want to put him back in the game, not only because I was afraid he would hurt himself again, but because I didn't say anyway he'd continue to play at the level he was and assumed that his rhythm had been thrown off, but nope first shot after he comes back...buckets.


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              I was one of the people who wanted Hans to be on the Pacers on draft day. He even led the poll on Indystar as the most probable pick by the Pacers, but I was just surprised how so critical the people here on PD about Hans.

              He didn't let me down. It's just a matter of time until he flourished as a big-time scorer. He may not be that consistent yet, but he's clearly evolving into a reliable scorer from down low to mid-range. All of his flaws can be worked on the next offseason, so imagine that he's contributing despite having very little training and having to lose games due to vertigo. He may not become a superstar-level player, but he can be a major piece for a championship team. He's like Manu Ginobli in terms of impact; plays somewhat unorthodox and intense, but when he clicks he's hard to stop and gives a big impact to games.

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                I might be imagining this or maybe hoping it to be true. But I think Tyler finally felt 100% comfortable because it was an intense playoff game. Almost like he realized while playing in the game yes now this is fun and this is what I live for. We'll see what happens from this point, but no reason why he shouldn't feel like the playoffs are made for his style of play because I think they are

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                  I agree Buck, the game slows down a bit, being able to hit a mid range jumper and trade blows with anyone really becomes a valuable trait in the playoffs.


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                    Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                    I might be imagining this or maybe hoping it to be true. But I think Tyler finally felt 100% comfortable because it was an intense playoff game. Almost like he realized while playing in the game yes now this is fun and this is what I live for. We'll see what happens from this point, but no reason why he shouldn't feel like the playoffs are made for his style of play because I think they are
                    Yip, I agree.

                    Some people are just made for the big stage & Tyler proved in game one that he was meant to be there.

                    I'll say what I've been saying since he has had his chance now, when he hits that 15-18' jumper he is a different beast altogether because teams absolutely have to adjust to him & if they don't he makes them pay.

                    I'm still not thrilled with his four rebounds, he HAS to improve there, but overall going into a playoff series I would rather have him on our team than not.


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                      Kidd Minneapolis, I would not be suprised at all in Tyler Hansbrough won a league MVP in his career. I believe in him that much. I like his game more than Blake Griffen's.

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                        As a lifetime Reggie Miller fanatic I don't mean to denegrate the man's amazing career, but Reggie Miller wouldn't be Reggie Miller if not for the playoffs and big games to prove himself. On Saturday watching Tyler reminded me of the way Reggie made me feel watching a playoff game. Nobody else on the team gave me that same feeling.

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                          Plus we didn't even get a consistent two halves of basketball from everyone. I thought DC and Roy carried us in the first half, and Danny and Tyler carried us in the second. It'd be nice if all four could put it together for the full 48 tonight.


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                            Originally posted by Lou Bega View Post
                            Kidd Minneapolis, I would not be suprised at all in Tyler Hansbrough won a league MVP in his career. I believe in him that much. I like his game more than Blake Griffen's.
                            We are having a nice conversation here and then you come with the MVP talk :shakehead
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                              Good interview with Tyler here. Mentions that they need to focus on rebounding tonight.

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