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    I had to give myself some time away from the game today to write this. I think I actually went through all five stages of grief after the 4th quarter and there was just no way I could have looked back and given a fair assessment of the game then.

    First and foremost respect to the Bulls & to their coaching staff. Well played with great composure to not panic and be able to both shut us down and hit big shots to win the game.

    Derrick Rose is a force without a doubt and he got just enough help from his team mates at the end to be able to take the game. He is a great player, his ability to drive into the paint is only matched by a healthy Dwayne Wade & even then I think he is actually quicker than what Wade was. He only hit one outside shot that I remember but who needs to do that when you are able to get to the paint whenever you want.

    As to his free throw shooting? Obviously he is going to get to the line several times a game. Iíve read people say he didnít deserve to go as much Iíve read people say he should have been to the line more often. I donít know myself. There were calls he got that Iím wondering what they saw but then there were plenty of times I saw exactly what they saw. However all that I would ask and I think itís only fair to expect is that they call he same exact fouls going the other way if they are committed. Without going back shot by shot I will just say that there were a couple of times our guys were just hammered in the lane with no call from anyone. But Iím not going to dwell on that because that would imply that I felt that this is what cost us the game, it didnít. Sure it didnít help but their composure and our lack there of in the final 3 min. is what cost us the game.

    Even now, all of these hours later Iím still sitting here trying to figure out what way to go with this post. As Mark Boyle asked Croshere at the end of the game is the glass half empty or half full and what do you take away from this.

    Obviously I go back and forth with this, as Iím sure most of you are as well.

    Letís look at our team now.

    Danny Granger: Guilty your honor. Guilty of what you ask, guilty of not being a mega superstar like James, Rose, Bryant, Wade, etc. And for some reason that fact makes him the pariah of our team to many people on the internet & in particular on the Digest. Yes, he is not a superstar that you can throw the ball to and say ďgo win the gameĒ. He can hit big game winning shots, heís done it before. But no he is not an elite level ball handler who can throw himself into someone and draw a foul while getting the and 1. Yes he did start the game like he had never touched a basketball before today but he kept pushing and by the third quarter he was on fire. He ended the day as our leading scorer, shooting 50% from the field (including three point shots), our second leading rebounder & got the second most assist for our club. While stealing and blocking a shot. Yes we must trade him right away. Look I get that at the end of the game he was part of the reason our offense stagnated, but to say it was all his fault is just wrong pure and simple. The Bulls defense stepped up and cut off any passing lanes for us and trapped the dribbler more than once. Sure I would have liked Danny to have been able to hit three more shots as well, but Iím not going to be calling for his head because he didnít. Now I did not like the fact that he did not get to the free throw line today so he is going to have to be more conscious about that next game.

    Darren Collison: For one half of basketball today our point guard played step by step with the MVP of the league. In fact because he was actually getting his team mates more involved I would say he actually out played him for a good portion of that time. That first half was the best basketball D.C. has played all season. I like the fact that he didnít seem intimidated by the circumstance of playing in the playoffs & vs. Rose. In fact not only did it not bother him he seemed to thrive on it. For a half that is. Second half Darren sort of faded away but still was able to run the offense better than he has all season, that is until the final 3 min. of the game. Then the Bulls defense stepped up and made it all but impossible to move the ball around. Still though I was very pleased with his performance and if we can just get half of that the rest of the way we will be better than what I thought we would be coming into the series.

    Tyler Hansbrough: He was hitting his jumpers. When he hits his jumpers he is a different type of beast out there because if you try & close out on him he can drive around you if you are not careful. The Bulls for the most part never closed out on him and he made them pay time after time. Now while I was certainly pleased with his offensive production & his individual defense was not bad I will say that he is going to have to give us more than 4 rebounds if we have any hope of staying in this series. In fact our entire team has got to do better as they just killed us on the glass winning 49-34. Tyler is such a unique player because I would probably tell you that I didnít expect him to have that kind of game again this series because I donít think he can hit that many jumpers in a row again, however he is not a player to bet against. Sometimes a player is just a winner and you canít figure out why exactly and in his case he has always been part of winning. We didnít win today but he played like a winner.

    Roy Hibbert: We have got to work on getting Roy more shots. 7 is not enough, he hit 4 of them and grabbed 8 boards. He had 5 fouls but I think for the most part he did an excellent job of keeping control of himself today. I know everybody was hitting from the field today but we can NOT forget to get the ball to Roy in the post a few more times just to see if he can get something going and maybe get a couple of more fouls on Noah. Overall pleased with the big fella, he didnít come out shell shocked by being in the playoffs either.

    Paul George: At first it wasnít pretty. I was afraid he was going to foul out in the first half but he finally settled down and provided a couple of decent blocked shots (one vs. Noah in particular was great) and some rebounds. However Paul we need some offense from you. I donít want you forcing anything but getting up only 2 shots all day, one of which was an alley oop off of a break is not going to cut it. I love the defense he played vs. Rose & in fact actually I think he did probably the best one on one job vs. him of the night. But we canít afford to have anyone on the floor that is not a threat to score vs. the Bulls. I understand though itís hard to get the ball to everyone & again I donít want him forcing shots (in particular rushed threeís).

    Brandon Rush: Well Iíll be, we actually saw an offensively aggressive Rush today, and this is as rare as spotting an Albino Elephant so we should all be grateful to have witnessed this miracle. Not only did he hit the three point shots that he gets by loitering on the corner but we actually saw him drive the baseline today. He missed of course but he did get fouled and shot probably the only 2 free throws for the entire series for him. His defense was also very good as expected however he did not grab his usual number of rebounds. No big deal per say just kind of odd for him. He was the reason I was probably more depressed after the game than anything because I figure we have blown our one chance of utilizing Rushís one good offensive game.

    Mike Dunleavy: Today is just another reason why I never look or care about the individual +/- for a game. In case you didnít know Mike was the only Pacer with a positive in that category with a +4. Now mind you Mike didnít score a point in his time on the floor and didnít exactly set the world on fire with his 1 assist & 1 rebound either. So how he ended up with a positive Iíll never know, and frankly will never care. Today was Mikeís first playoff game and you could tell it. Not that he played a bad game itís just that he took on the persona of Brandon Rush today in the fact that you kind of forgot he was playing when he was on the floor. He was however a victim of one of those questionable calls that Rose got. I havenít gone back and looked again but man it sure seemed like Mike was planted when he was called for that blocking foul. Iím hoping for more from Mike in game 2.

    Josh McRoberts: to steal a phrase Josh is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get. Sometimes you get the jelly filled or even a caramel & peanut filled candy and you are very happy. Other times you get the candy that has the hard teeth shattering former gel stuff that no one knows what it is. Today with Josh we got the latter. Certainly his 1-6 with three of them being rejected did not go into the Josh McRoberts top 10 plays of the year material. While he did grab 5 boards he certainly could have and should have done better. We really REALLY need Josh to step up in game 2.

    Jeff Foster: He gave Derrick Rose the first decent foul of the day and the fact that people were calling that a hard foul made me smile. Yes, by todayís standards Iím surprised he was not called for a flagrant foul. But I can remember a time when Anthony Mason clothes lined Haywood Workman and all but made him do a 360 in the air and wasnít even called for a foul. Jeff hit his free throws, hit one shot that I have no idea how he even got it up and played decent defense. He didnít hit the boards like usual but then again nobody on our team did. There is really nothing to say here about him, he gave you what he could and he set a good example for the other front court players.

    A.J. Price: He hit his shots and did a decent job of staying in front of Rose when he was on him. I would like a little more offensive direction from him when he is in there but again today he was in with Foster & McRoberts for several min. at a time so itís hard to get assists when no one is hitting.

    Coaching: Other than somehow not getting the team to collapse in the final minutes I donít know what else Frank could have done today. He had a young team that had never played in the playoffs before believing that they could not only compete with the Bulls but that they could win. His demeanor in the timeouts seems to be exactly what these players at this time needed and he had them prepared to defend the low post game of the Bulls. In fact defensively they pretty much shut everyone down but Rose & Deng. Maybe take a time out a little earlier in the run, maybe run a different set. But even then Iím not sure it would have made a difference. Obviously we are not in the post game or with them at practice tomorrow but I have to believe that he is building this team up, not tearing them down. He is telling them that they had this game and that they can play and they can beat the Bulls. Yea, Iíll admit it. After talking to this guy in person he sold me, after hearing some of the things that I was told about him from people who work with the club he sold me even more. What you see on the TV is what you get from him. This isnít fake B.S. that he is putting out there, he actually believes this stuff and he really believes in our club.

    Again as I end this I still donít know how I feel. I am proud, donít get me wrong. I am very very very very proud of our team. I fully expected them to blow us out of the water in game 1. I never thought we would lead for 3 and ĺ of the game. I never thought weíd have a 10 point lead. But in a way losing a game like this hurts maybe even more because I now honestly believe we let this one slip away & Iím just afraid that we will never put together as good a game as we did today.

    But then I keep thinking with our team, you never know. There is nothing to say that we canít go right back at it in game 2 and if we could execute down the stretch we couldnít pull one out.

    Before I go I want to say one thing about the national media coverage that I watched today. I watched the pre-game show on both ESPN & NBAtv and to say that I was disgusted would be an understatement.

    Look I get it, we are a losing team. The worst record in the playoffs, they have the best record in the playoffs. They have the leading MVP candidate. I fully expected them to talk them up and to give us no chance, which is the way it should be. But for the love of God they didnít talk about us at all. I mean nothing about our team other than to use Danny Grangerís statement about the Bulls to segway into being able to talk more about the Bulls. Again I get it, I didnít expect equal time. But to get not time at all?

    I have a feeling that todayís game changed that for the next time.

    Time to regroup grab the flag and charge the hill.



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    Thanks Peck

    This loss is a very tough pill to swallow, but tonight I am very much a glass half full type of fan. I'm also very proud of this team.

    It's a process, & this is just the next step to us getting to where we need to be. Finding out just what playoff basketball is like.

    I fear we have given the Bulls a wake up call & that their team D will step up big time in game 2. I would expect nothing less. Chicago is just a better team than us right now & they have the best player.

    I hate losing as much as the next guy but I don't feel we lost this game as much as Chicago won it. It's just gonna be that way for awhile, but we're getting there.

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    What you see on the TV is what you get from him. This isnít fake B.S. that he is putting out there, he actually believes this stuff and he really believes in our club.
    This. My opinion of Vogel jumped by about 44% based on how well he got the guys ready to play, how he continues to believe in his guys, and how well he managed the game. Thibodeau made some nice adjustments but I think Vogel may have outcoached him, especially on the preparation side.
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    Before I go I want to say one thing about the national media coverage that I watched today. I watched the pre-game show on both ESPN & NBAtv and to say that I was disgusted would be an understatement.

    Look I get it, we are a losing team. The worst record in the playoffs, they have the best record in the playoffs. They have the leading MVP candidate. I fully expected them to talk them up and to give us no chance, which is the way it should be. But for the love of God they didn’t talk about us at all. I mean nothing about our team other than to use Danny Granger’s statement about the Bulls to segway into being able to talk more about the Bulls. Again I get it, I didn’t expect equal time. But to get not time at all?

    I have a feeling that today’s game changed that for the next time.
    I think we all knew that the Pacers weren't going to get the recognition they deserve, but the media's coverage was embarrassing as a fan.

    In the pregame, the "experts" weren't even talking about the series, but rather the Bulls making it to the finals. The only topic they mentioned about the Pacers was the Danny Granger "trash talking".

    Then the game started. I almost had to put my TV on mute because the ESPN commentators were that bad. It seemed like they had never watched a Pacers game until today, and the only player they could talk about was Danny Granger.

    We were completely dominating this game, but all they could talk about was the Bulls "comeback". If Derrick Rose had a great play, the announcers went crazy. If the Pacers had a nice play (Hansbrough steal to dunk, Paul George alley-oop,etc.) , they almost seemed shocked and said very little.

    The sportscenter recap is a Derrick Rose clip that has the Bulls winning, and doesn't justify in anyway the performance we showed today.

    If you go to the NBA recap and look at the videos, there are 13 videos on the Bulls, while the Pacers only have 5.

    Maybe I am taking this out of proportion, but it was something that continued to bother me as the day continued. I usually don't care what the media has to say, but I know our guys deserve better than this.
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    My thoughts on the Pacers victory:

    First I'm extremely proud of how the Pacers played, and I actually think they played better than when they beat the Bulls earlier in the season. I don't think they underplayed in the last 3 minutes- I think Rose played the best game of his entire career, and I don't its even close. That was incredible.

    Several things I think we should recognize and appreciate..

    I'd like to mention the officiating first. See, I know the Bulls got the calls for the most part to go their way as is expected. But I don't think that is why the won. We all are tired of seeing blown calls go the stars way when it matters, but as most of us are aware, most of the time it doesn't change the outcome.

    What I'd like to emphasize is actually in Rose's defense. What we saw is Rose get to the line all game. But Rose got to the line because he attacked the basket without restraint. It doesn't matter what level of basketball it is, if you attack the basket you're getting to the line, and it has nothing to do with some supposed "bias." This is how the game is played. Its 100% legit. I never had a problem with any of the fouls on Rose... the dude flat out forced one foul after another. That's how you win. Same thing Wade did against the Mavs in 06.

    I want to distinguish attacking the basket and getting to the line, and simply getting bull**** calls as to who you are.

    A good example of "star calls" or not even star calls but certain people getting calls according to who they are is Paul George's first foul in the game. The dude drove to the basket, and I don't remember who was guarding him.. Korver i think it was dove right in front of him. It was a blatant blocking foul... George got the "you're just a rookie" call and it was foul on him. That is what hurts this game from being a solid product competing with the NFL. That bull****. That is the type of **** that makes you wonder why Stern is still around. We see that daily.. why? It hurts the game.

    On the announcing: this really plays into how the NBA market's it's product. We wonder why the NBA can't come close to competing against the NFL. To me it's not even remotely surprising. Jon Barry and the crew completely ignored the Pacers as a team and announced the game as if it was team USA vs the enemy. Absolutely ridiculous. And the natural idea is to think, well only Pacers fans will be upset. No. This is not true... The resto f the viewing public is done no favors if we treat this as, "Go Bulls, let's enjoy the best team beating the bad guys!!!"

    The NBA missed a prime example to demonstrate parity when they could have talked about the talent that this below .500 team brought to the table. Even if the Bulls sweep the series, we're watching two teams with similar talent. The Pacers have a lot of talent, they just don't have anyone on Rose's level- Even then, DC flat out played Rose in the 1st half. Did the announcers recognize this??? No! What a great story! But no, they continued with the false narrative about Rose's greatness. We didn't see anything close to greatness from Rose until the second half. Just terrible marketing from the NBA.

    My thoughts on Tyler: I'm not surprised by Tyler's performance. He actually has a decent matchup. The nice thing about playing Boozer all day is Boozer is shorter than normal and doesn't rely on athleticism or length. This plays into Tyler's game. Great matchup for Tyler and I hope he continues to take advantage of it all week.

    The main problem is I believe the offensive rebounds we gave up all game were still a direct result of McBob and Tyler's lack of rebounding ability. That will always be a problem until we bring in a legit PF that defends, block shots and rebounds.

    On Paul George: At this point, I was real disappointed in PG not getting an opportunity to play big minutes against Orlando and maybe get in a rhythm for the coming playoffs. That didn't happen. So as a result, I'm not so confident in him getting big minutes in this series. As he's not comfortable on the offensive side of the court, he's not that big of an asset right now. We have to take him as he is now- Now he is worth nothing offensively.

    However, I will say I'm completely convinced his minutes can be justified if he's defending Rose all game. The dude knows defense and he's our best defender against Rose. Put him on Rose the entire game. He did very well. Go re-watch the times Paul defended Rose. Don't take my word, he played exceptional against rose. With that said, if he's not defending Rose? Why play him... he's not there yet.

    Roy played a great game. Excellent game by Roy, but we need to make sure we're getting him the ball. When we do, he gets to the line, and forces the other team into foul trouble. Get him the ball please!

    Danny played just an absolute fabulous game.. Several things to remember- First, Danny did miss a few shots coming out, but I've seen Reggie, the legend, come out and miss 8 straight shots before. Don't be upset when the shot doesn't drop starting out.. .it happens. What made me so excited and proud of D Danny starting out, is he wasn't bothered by any of his missed shots. He continued to play within the offense. He didn't start forcing anything, but just played within the offense. The shots didn't drop, be he just kept playing. I thought Danny played great in the first half. I think his leadership, his completely calm demeanor influenced the Pacer's confident play. Just a great all around game from Danny.

    Danny got into rhythm and started killing it... great game. Now we cannot get upset at players for overcoming a lack of talent with greatness. If you remember, Reggie was no stud talent wise. Reggie was great because he overcame all to become a playoff "God." The dude defied logic. That was why Reggie was great...So lets not expect Danny to do this. The guy has made big shots, he scores at will... and we're still waiting for that big time player to take us to the next level. Don't judge Danny, you win with people like Danny. The dude played absolutely KILLER defense, scored despite being the number 1 focus on D for the Bulls, and he rebounded on top of that. I love Danny, I hope we can keep him in the long run so long as we get our big time number 1 guy.

    My one problem with Danny this game, is he didn't get to the line.. He does it as well as the best in the league. He knows how to get to the line... He needs to make sure he does it next game.

    I'm proud of our Pacers and their excellent play. Don't forget a number 8 seed just took the 1 to the wire in game 1. That's a good team! Go Pacers!
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    I think this game will effect our players one of two ways. We'll either go in with the same mindset that we had in game one and really take it to the Bulls and hopefully the outcome is different. Or we'll think about how we led through 3 3/4 of the game and it didn't matter at the end and cause us to lose some of our focus for the next game.

    The Pacers gave up I think it was 20 or 21 offensive rebounds, one guy on their team had more foul shots than our entire team had and yet we still only lost by 5. I don't think we can control the foul situation and should keep the same mindset up of playing a very physical game. I do however think if we can cut down the number of offensive rebound by 2 or 3 we win this game, the ability to box out and limit them to one shot I think is something we indeed can control and should be something that should be highlighted between now and the next game.

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    Just for reference, Paul George was born in the 1990s. He'll be fine but let's not expect too much from the youngster this year.

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    Like i said in another thread .......... now they know what the playoffs are like. They've experienced the level of play that wins these games. Now, they have to learn how to play at that level themselves. Whether they're capable of that or not -I just don't know. This is a great example of how a team has to lose before they can win. The Bulls have been thru it and now the Pacers are going thru it.

    Flashback to the 90's (painful as it is). Think of the first round exits. Think of how that team got better and better and better with each playoff series. This is a learning experience for these kids. Hopefully (and I AM assuming they lose this series - sorry - reality) it will help them prepare in the off-season, take the regular season games a little more seriously and be in a better frame of mind come next season and the playoffs.

    And in closing - if they don't give Vogel this job - it's a damn shame. He gets it and he's just going to get better with time. Just like the rest of the team.

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    Did you guys really expect anything else from ESPN ?

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    Bulls have to be scared if Boozer is going to continue to disappear for the next 4 years.

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    Wonderful, exciting, yet depressing game by the Pacers.

    Hansbrough and Collison shot the ball better than they had any right to expect given the defense that the Bulls played. There were several well contested shots hit by both, without which the game is very much like we would have expected it to be, namely a blowout.

    That said, the Pacers were in the best of positions they could ever have expected to be in with the 10 point lead late. At that point, the philosophy of the team somehow reverted to O'B ball, with bad shots, stagnation, and little to no ball movement and the Bulls fully capitalized on it.

    Why Vogel didn't call timeout to stop the degradation as the team unravelled before our eyes was really surprising because he tends to understand momentum shifts pretty well. He, I hope, learned the hard lesson that the strategy of "playing through it" at the end of a game is not sound strategy, especially against a superior team. Yes, it showed his trust in his guys, but if he had called a TO or two, he could have expressed his calm demeanor in the huddle along with his confidence in the guys and possibly stemmed just enough of the tide to have preserved the win for the Pacers. I am stopping short, but just short, of placing responsibility for the loss on Vogel at this point. He has never been in this position before, though, so he deserves a pass just as much as all of our young players do for never having been in this position, either.

    Overall, though, a great game to watch, fun to see shots go down, and really inspiring to see the Pacers give the Bulls nearly all they could handle. In my mind, the Bulls played full out the whole way, and were fortunate that the Pacers were so inexperienced at the end.

    Goooooooo Pacers!!!!!!!!

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    I look at it this way.

    The playoffs are a bonus. We shouldn't be here and we are. On top of that we drew blood on the best team in the leAgue and their mvp. We may not of won but on their home court we came in and.did what ever we wanted for 47 minutes.

    The east needs to be very scared. We are doing this with a roster that can afford whoever we want. With experience and a few players the bulls do not win thea game. I can take 4 losses if the pacers can give everything they have and show the bulls that next season we are coming for.them.

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    I almost texted some folks when we were up double digits in the second half that for RIGHT NOW I was as happy with the team as I'd been all season, though I knew in my heart I was going to be really pissed off at least once before the game was over.

    Where I got unhappy was the bench stretch. We SHOULD HAVE been able to stretch our lead if our bench plays anywhere near as well defensively as they have done in the past. We SHOULD HAVE had enough better scoring to have more than a 7 point advantage when Rose comes back in for the final stretch - even if Rose comes in earlier then we are making them use him more than they wanted.

    And, of course, we should have found another way to score in the last 2 minutes. I'm not sure if it is Vogel or if it is how the team chooses to execute, but we seem to go away from what brung us and get caught in ways that we don't get caught the rest of the game. I don't know why that is, but it has to be a focus of the coaching and of the execution.

    Other than that, though, I am really, really proud of the effort those guys had. If we play this hard for the rest of the series, then INDIANA will have a whole new level of respect (and, dare I say it, love) for this team than they have had, frankly, since the 2000 Finals team.

    And the announcers - it's like they didn't even bother to do any research on the Pacers at all, expecting us to be down 50 or 60 by the end of the first quarter - meaning they'd have to get all their DRose fawning in before ESPN decided to cut away and show highlights of some rained-out golf tournament instead. When the Pacers gave the fight they did in the first half and actually went into the interval with a lead, there was a whole lot of frantic half-time research going on - made obvious by the "sudden" insertion of Pacers information into the announcing in the third quarter. They then of course fell back into their heathen ways, but backsliding is a part of the cycle...
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    I look at it this way.

    The playoffs are a bonus. We shouldn't be here and we are. On top of that we drew blood on the best team in the leAgue and their mvp. We may not of won but on their home court we came in and.did what ever we wanted for 47 minutes.

    The east needs to be very scared. We are doing this with a roster that can afford whoever we want. With experience and a few players the bulls do not win thea game. I can take 4 losses if the pacers can give everything they have and show the bulls that next season we are coming for.them.
    Thank you! This is what I've been thinking the whole time. Even if we go 0-4 this is huge experience and almost winning is just icing on the cake.

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    I look at it this way.

    The playoffs are a bonus. We shouldn't be here and we are. On top of that we drew blood on the best team in the leAgue and their mvp. We may not of won but on their home court we came in and.did what ever we wanted for 47 minutes.
    I never understand why people say that. Look, we did what we needed to do in the East to be better than the other teams that didn't make the playoffs. So what if we had a losing record? It doesn't matter. Nobody is going to look at this record we had three years down the road. They'll just see that we made the postseason. We came in there with a Hell of a fighting swagger, and basically told the Bulls to not take us lightly. I'm pretty sure when they were down 10 the fans were telling themselves, "WTF? Who are these guys."

    From strictly a developmental standpoint I want the Pacers to learn about this loss and to see what they could've had. Learn why and how they let it go, so it could be worked on. If we can play like or around the level we played for 45 minutes on Saturday for the rest of the series, well heck, I have no complaints.

    Baby steps. We made it here record or not, let's go.

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    I agree that Hibbert should have had more touches. And DC not playing well in the second half was more on Rose finally stepping up on defense.

    This was not Rose's best game, because defensively he was horrid in the first half. It was obvious that the Bulls stepped up their intensity and our guys had yet to experience the same level. This is something they need to endure to get better.



    In regards to the coverage. I am not at the least surprised. When we won 60 games there was little hype or coverage. The only hype we ever got was when we surprised the Knicks and pushed MJ and his Bulls.

    We have never been the favorites and when we were it was always a disclaimer to it. I hate it, but it is true. If you want respect and X and Os analysis, take it to blogs.

    Because ESPN and NBA are about selling a product and not about covering basketball.

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    The pre game show? How abotu the in game announcing? Jon Barry arguing that Thomas's elbow to the head shouldn't be a foul because it wasn't on purpose? I mean does he realize that fouls are still fouls even if they aren't on purpose?

    Barry's announcing was absolutely disgusting. Including his man love for Thibodeau.

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    The pre game show? How abotu the in game announcing? Jon Barry arguing that Thomas's elbow to the head shouldn't be a foul because it wasn't on purpose? I mean does he realize that fouls are still fouls even if they aren't on purpose?

    Barry's announcing was absolutely disgusting. Including his man love for Thibodeau.

    He wasn't arguing that it shouldn't be a foul. he was just saying it wasn't on purpose, which it wasn't. Those things happen

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    Barry said, "I don't know if they even should have called it because it wasn't on purpose."

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    Barry said, "I don't know if they even should have called it because it wasn't on purpose."

    Well if he said that then that is a stupid comment because whether contact is on purpose or not means nothing as whether it is a foul.

    Most fouls are not on purpose. It also has nothing or should have nothing to do whether it is a flagrant foul or not. Whether something is on purpose only should come into play on technical fouls.

    My bad I must have misheard what he said then.

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    I agree it wasn't on purpose, but I pretty much wanted to just ram my head through a wall when he said he wasn't sure it should have been called.

    He reminded me one of those Pacer fans who shows up to a game now wondering where Rik Smits is...

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    No I never heard him say that it should have never been a foul. He was making a point that it was not intentional.

    But I could be wrong. I will look again though.

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    No I never heard him say that it should have never been a foul. He was making a point that it was not intentional.

    But I could be wrong. I will look again though.
    I swear he said it shouldn't have been called a foul because it wasn't intentional, too.

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    I'd be willing to bet I heard him say it. It was during one of the replays, IIRC. Tyler was still on the floor, I think...

    I think he might have followed it up with something like, "In the course of play stuff like that happens and you just need to not call it."

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    In order to get Roy some more touches, we should shoot more airballs.

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