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    OMG TRADE COLLISON HE GOT 17/6/9 AND TRADE GRANGER HE GOT 24/6/3 AGAINST THE TEAM WITH THE BEST RECORD IN THE NBA

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    BTW, I do love the thread title. It looks like lolcats.

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    This thread is ridiculous.
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    the pacers need a change in terms of their in-game leadership. because our management foolishly labeled granger our "go-to" guy and the guy to build around, it is going to make it very tough for one of these younger guys to take that spot away from him, or for a free agent to take over that role. granger is not our leader, nor should he have ever been called our leader. and for the pacers to reach championship level, we need better than granger. my blame has always been on an overeager management and fanbase to label someone our franchise player, or star before the man ever proved himself with consistent winning. same thing happened with jo imo which ultimately caused friction when artest challenged jo for that top spot on the team. all my opinion.

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    Typical knee-jerk reaction. Why would anyone be surprised that the Pacers went away from what got them the lead in the first place? Was anyone really surprised that Danny and DC played like they did at the end? I wasnt because these guys dont know how to win yet. Give them time.
    It is crazy to call them selfish. Anyone who ever played BB at a level above elementary school could see they were not being selfish - they choked. Period.
    This is a very young team that has to learn how to win. I am not defending their terrible play but I at least understand it. A 2nd year point guard and a franchise player that at best is the 3rd option on a championship caliber team cannot be expected to make winning plays in the playoffs - not yet anyway!

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    the pacers need a change in terms of their in-game leadership. because our management foolishly labeled granger our "go-to" guy and the guy to build around, it is going to make it very tough for one of these younger guys to take that spot away from him, or for a free agent to take over that role. granger is not our leader, nor should he have ever been called our leader. and for the pacers to reach championship level, we need better than granger. my blame has always been on an overeager management and fanbase to label someone our franchise player, or star before the man ever proved himself with consistent winning. same thing happened with jo imo which ultimately caused friction when artest challenged jo for that top spot on the team. all my opinion.
    That is my opinion too. It has nothing to do with this game, in fact I am hoping Granger changes my mind in this series.

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    Granger seems to be taking a lot of heat for someone who shot 50% and was the leading scorer for the team.

    I know many people want Granger gone, and that is fine, but don't come to that conclusion from one game.

    You can't blame one person for this loss. We went to Chicago and played as a team, and lost as a team.

    This is a time we should be proud of our guys for playing hard and beating the expectations.

    This isn't the time to start demanding trades after a tough loss.
    People are putting unfair expectations on Granger. He is not a player who can lead a franchise. He is a good complimentary player. He is not good enough to take over down the stretch of a playoff game against superior talent. Reggie could stink for 46 minutes and then hit 3 dagger three's at the end to steal the victory. There is a major difference between playoff BB and regular season. Dont expect DG or DC to be the guys in the postseason when they have never done squat i nthem so far. It takes time! I believe they will both be better later on because of their failure to seal the deal today!

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    I am not defending their terrible play but I at least understand it. \
    Terrible play? Really?

    This was honestly one of the best games we have played this season.

    We were beating the #1 seed in the East for 47 minutes.

    Like I have been saying, no one was even giving this team a chance and was expecting to get blown out the first game.

    We are a young team and they have the MVP.

    I was upset about the loss as well, but we all have to realize how far we have come in 4 months.

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    If Granger isn't a good number one option on a good team, which he isn't, why in the **** does that make certain people resent him? Why do you want to trade him just because he is best suited as a 2nd option?

    If anything, he's proved to me today that I need to appreciate what he does more. He single handedly carried us in the second half.

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    If Granger isn't a good number one option on a good team, which he isn't, why in the **** does that make certain people resent him? Why do you want to trade him just because he is best suited as a 2nd option?

    If anything, he's proved to me today that I need to appreciate what he does more. He single handedly carried us in the second half.
    Exactly.

    The goal shouldn't be to get rid of Granger. It should be to get another player at least as good as him.
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    I am shocked at all the heat Granger is taking.

    The Pacers did not lose as much as the bulls won today.

    The Pacers are a young team, and as painful as this is to watch, at least we get a chance to watch our team play in the second season

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    Exactly.

    The goal shouldn't be to get rid of Granger. It should be to get another player at least as good as him.




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    we would have to play with 2 balls with Danny and Monta on the same team.

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    we would have to play with 2 balls with Danny and Monta on the same team.
    Not really, Danny is a good player off the ball.

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    If Granger isn't a good number one option on a good team, which he isn't, why in the **** does that make certain people resent him? Why do you want to trade him just because he is best suited as a 2nd option?

    If anything, he's proved to me today that I need to appreciate what he does more. He single handedly carried us in the second half.
    There are two reasons I want to trade him. The first being to get the players I want it is going to take Granger to make it happen. Secondly and most importantly it is blatantly obvious that Granger does not give 100% effort all of the time. If he did he would be considered a much better defender and player than people give him credit for.

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    Not really, Danny is a good player off the ball.
    He might be good off the ball but he perfers the ball in his hands. I could see thoes two clashing.

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    The first being to get the players I want it is going to take Granger to make it happen. Secondly and most importantly it is blatantly obvious that Granger does not give 100% effort all of the time.
    You've decided ahead of time that Granger must go, before even knowing who you'd be pursuing. I'd be open to seeing Granger go if it brought back a better player, but it's entirely to soon to say what that cost would be. Generally, if a team trades a star, it's for salary relief, draft picks, and young prospects.

    Regarding his effort, unless you're getting back Kobe you're not getting someone who goes 100% all the time on both sides of the ball.
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    He might be good off the ball but he perfers the ball in his hands. I could see thoes two clashing.
    I can't see Monta as a smashmouth player.

    Regardless, Danny's about as ego-free as any first option in the NBA. I think he'd do great with another player at his level.
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    we would have to play with 2 balls with Danny and Monta on the same team.
    The second half of that post will likely not happen. But I'm afraid the first half is pretty much available to each of us.
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    You've decided ahead of time that Granger must go, before even knowing who you'd be pursuing. I'd be open to seeing Granger go if it brought back a better player, but it's entirely to soon to say what that cost would be. Generally, if a team trades a star, it's for salary relief, draft picks, and young prospects.

    Regarding his effort, unless you're getting back Kobe you're not getting someone who goes 100% all the time on both sides of the ball.
    Agreed.

    I must admit I have not watched a lot of NBA, but I would think of guys like Ron Artest and Tim Duncan (and even a guy like D. Wade) who go balls to the wall on both sides all game, but in all honestly I think it is hard to fault Granger right now. He is not a perfect player, but I think he will be a great Robin to another Superman (and I have no clue who that player is, but I think that he does exist)

    All that said, like you I am ok with trading him. Just make sure we are not making a change for the pure sake of change

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    The second half of that post will likely not happen. Thankfully, the first half is always available to each of us.
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    Terrible play? Really?

    This was honestly one of the best games we have played this season.

    We were beating the #1 seed in the East for 47 minutes.

    Like I have been saying, no one was even giving this team a chance and was expecting to get blown out the first game.

    We are a young team and they have the MVP.

    I was upset about the loss as well, but we all have to realize how far we have come in 4 months.
    I was referring to the bad play at the end. Not the whole game = learning curve here!

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    Not really, Danny is a good player off the ball.
    The other 14 players better be good off the ball with Ellis in the line-up. Complete gunner! No thanks.

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    I can't see Monta as a smashmouth player.
    Regardless, Danny's about as ego-free as any first option in the NBA. I think he'd do great with another player at his level.
    Monta is actually one of the toughest players in the NBA, he gets fouled hard almost every game and doesn't stop attacking the rim.
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    You've decided ahead of time that Granger must go, before even knowing who you'd be pursuing. I'd be open to seeing Granger go if it brought back a better player, but it's entirely to soon to say what that cost would be. Generally, if a team trades a star, it's for salary relief, draft picks, and young prospects.

    Regarding his effort, unless you're getting back Kobe you're not getting someone who goes 100% all the time on both sides of the ball.
    Actually no I know exactly who I want to trade him for, and I never said anything about trading him just to trade him. I wouldn't want to trade him for equal I want to trade him for something better otherwise there is absolutely no reason to trade him.

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