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    http://www.timesleader.com/sports/Un...4-15-2011.html

    INDIANAPOLIS — Reggie Miller doesn’t give the Indiana Pacers much of a chance in their first-round playoff series against the top-seeded Chicago Bulls.

    The clutch shooter who helped put the Pacers on the map before his retirement is happy that his beloved team has reached postseason play for the first time since 2006, but even he admits the odds are stacked against them. The Bulls had the best record in the league this season and are on a tear heading into Saturday’s Game 1 in Chicago.

    The young Pacers, meanwhile, are the only team in the playoffs with a losing record.

    “Hopefully, they’ll be successful,” said Miller, a TNT NBA analyst. “I doubt it, but they can lick their wounds together, and that’s how a team grows.”

    The Pacers are aware that they are heavy underdogs, and it has gotten under their collective skin.

    “We hear people talking about Chicago’s second-round matchup, who they’re going to play,” Indiana center Roy Hibbert said. “We hear that. That’s in the back of our minds.”

    “We hear it, and rightfully so,” Indiana point guard Darren Collison added. “We’re the last seed in the playoffs. They’re supposed to say that. It don’t matter.”

    Pacers interim coach Frank Vogel hasn’t hesitated to use Indiana’s underdog status as a tool.

    “This team has succeeded a lot this year by feeling like they’ve been disrespected, told they’re not good enough, and it drives them,” he said.

    Reaching the playoffs is an important step for the franchise, which has been rebuilding since the brawl between Pacers players and Detroit Pistons fans at The Palace of Auburn Hills in 2004. Numerous issues in the following years led the team to part with its nucleus of Ron Artest, Jermaine O’Neal, Stephen Jackson and Jamaal Tinsley.

    After the overhaul, the team became extremely young. Just one Pacers starter, Danny Granger, has been in the league for more than three years. That’s why Pacers president Larry Bird, a three-time NBA champion with the Boston Celtics, said this playoff experience is a key part of Indiana’s rebuilding effort.

    “I knew after my first playoff experience in the early ’80s that I had a lot of work to do if I wanted to win a championship,” he said. “This is a great opportunity for these young guys to get some experience, and we’ll see what happens.”

    The opportunity almost didn’t come.

    The Pacers fired coach Jim O’Brien after a 17-27 start, and things were uncertain — Miller said those situations are usually “death sentences.”

    Vogel took over, and the confident 37-year-old immediately declared that the Pacers were going to make the playoffs. He re-established Hibbert, a skilled 7-foot-2 center, as a go-to player. He gave Collison more freedom to create and replaced the team’s constant ill-advised 3-point shots with “smashmouth basketball,” a style that emphasizes attacking the basket to take advantage of the team’s athletic ability.

    The Pacers responded by winning seven of their first 10 under their new leader before the All-Star break. The mood in the locker room changed as Vogel’s confidence filtered down to his players.

    “It was a pretty soft schedule, but still, a win is a win in this league,” Miller said. “What it did is it gained confidence for coach Vogel and for the assistants.”

    Vogel started taking chances, eventually moving rookie Paul George and second-year forward Tyler Hansbrough into the starting lineup. The team finished 20-18 in the regular season under Vogel.

    “How else will these young guys ever learn unless they’re thrown in the fire?” Miller said. “How else is Larry Bird and the rest of his staff going to be able to evaluate this young talent unless they play?”

    Because of the relative youth and inexperience on the team, Miller believes Granger will have to play at a higher level for Indiana to make noise in the postseason. The forward averages 20.5 points and 5.4 rebounds.

    “This team will go as far as Danny will take them because no one else on that team can do what Danny can do,” Miller said. “And that’s put the ball in the basket and put a lot of pressure on opposing defenses. Really, it falls on his shoulders. I hope he accepts that. If they are to be successful against the Bulls, Danny has to have an incredible series. He has to put the fear of God in the Bulls.”

    Bird said the Pacers have to be aggressive against the Bulls.

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    Default Re: Underdog Pacers lacking support

    Whatever, they said a bunch of scrubby farmers couldn't overturn a world power too. Or something like that...

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    I didn't like the title of this article too much.

    Of course we the fans are supporting this team.

    I don't think "support" was the best word to describe people's take on us in the playoffs. You don't have to "support" a team to think they're going to do well or not.

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    After the overhaul, the team became extremely young. Just one Pacers starter, Danny Granger, has been in the league for more than three years.
    I always find just how young of a team we actually are, and the success that we are already having, to be pretty encouraging.

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    I was thinking that maybe no one showed up at the pep rally downtown.

    Anyone go?

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    I was thinking that maybe no one showed up at the pep rally downtown.

    Anyone go?
    They did it during the day today?

    I wouldn't think very many people would show up to something like that during the week and during the day.

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    I thought this was going to be about not having much FAN support, not just experts picking against us. Surprise, we're the 8th seed and under .500 against the best team (record wise at least) in the league, shocking that no one's picking us.

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    I thought this was going to be about not having much FAN support, not just experts picking against us. Surprise, we're the 8th seed and under .500 against the best team (record wise at least) in the league, shocking that no one's picking us.
    True, but it's REALLY starting to irk the h*ll out of me now. People are already talking the Bulls' 2nd round matchup like we already played the games. That's just sssssoooooo disrespectful. I hope we upset the Bulls, so we can tell the all naysayers to kiss our collective *sses.
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    I just have this feeling, that game 1 , we are gonna go out and STOMP the Bulls into embarassment...

    They are gonna be in shellshock ...and we gonna take the 1st game..
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    I just have this feeling, that game 1 , we are gonna go out and STOMP the Bulls into embarassment...

    They are gonna be in shellshock ...and we gonna take the 1st game..
    If I was player, I would give 110% in making sure we won Game 1. If the Bulls can take the battle-tested Celtics to seven games, then I sure as hell hope we can do the same against an inexperienced Bulls team. The Bulls are NOT a veteran team in the playoffs.

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    True, but it's REALLY starting to irk the h*ll out of me now. People are already talking the Bulls' 2nd round matchup like we already played the games.
    Welcome to the NBA playoffs, where %80 of the series go exactly like everyone expects them to.

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    The Pacers will surprise a few people. And hopefully, conseco will have more of a home crowd feel than the last regular season game did....

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    Why the hell is the Times Leader running an article about the Pacers? Its my hometown's paper which is the Wilkes Barre/Scranton area. I'm rather confused...

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    I always find just how young of a team we actually are, and the success that we are already having, to be pretty encouraging.
    Exactly why I am so confused as to why people think this team has no talent and needs to add a bunch of new pieces. We have a lot of talent, and don't need to make any real change. We need to let our guys grow for at least one more season before we start talking about needing major changes.

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    True, but it's REALLY starting to irk the h*ll out of me now. People are already talking the Bulls' 2nd round matchup like we already played the games. That's just sssssoooooo disrespectful. I hope we upset the Bulls, so we can tell the all naysayers to kiss our collective *sses.
    They need to use that as motivation..and it can have a freeing effect too.

    They should feel no pressure, and just get mad that no one gives them a shot.

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    I think Carlos Boozer is over-rated as a PF and basketball player. Chicago was dumb to sign him for all that money in the offseason. Tyler Hansbrough is going to expose him game 1 today.

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    This reminds me of the 95-96 Colts in the wildcard game at San Diego. Everybody counted them out and the Colts weren't supposed to be in the playoffs. They went out there and proved everybody wrong and beat the Chargers. Hears to the Pacers doing the same in game 1 vs. Chicago.
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    If you want respect you have to earn it in the playoffs. This is not power rankings here. This is big boy territory. So it is time to stop pouting and play basketball.

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    I didn't like the title of this article too much.

    Of course we the fans are supporting this team.

    I don't think "support" was the best word to describe people's take on us in the playoffs. You don't have to "support" a team to think they're going to do well or not.
    Agreed. Words have meaning and "support" was not the correct word usage. I'm supporting the Pacers, but don't give them much of a chance to win the series. Those are different and the article/headline really should distinguish.

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    I've thought all year that the Bulls were the scariest team in the east. Their record now backs that up.

    As for our chances to win, I would say that percentage is in the single digits. This isn't exactly David vs Goliath along the lines we might face with Boston + Perkins...but it's close enough. The Bulls have a fantastic team. They have all the pieces you need: Defense, toughness, leadership, clutch players, size, etc. When Luol Deng is just considered part of the pack, you have a very good team. With Boozer, Rose, Deng and Noah, they really have a big 4 and they also have a decent supporting cast. Personally, I think they are coming out of the east.

    In any event, I would be ecstatic if we could win two games in this series. I would not be terribly disappointed if we won one game. I just don't want to get swept.

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    The fact that some people think we're going to be swept makes me really want this to be one hell of a competitive series and give the Bulls a bit of a scare.

    Much like the Lakers/Thunder series last year and the 7 game series between the Hawks/Bucks.

    I won't be angry at all if we play our tails off and make this a good series and win 1 or 2 games.

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    I just want to see the Pacers play their best basketball on both ends of the floor and see where that gets us. I don't think they will be swept if they do that. I think they can make it a competitive series.

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    I always find just how young of a team we actually are, and the success that we are already having, to be pretty encouraging.
    Bump.

    We have a hell of a young team right now. Tyler, George, Roy, DC, and Danny are great, great young pieces.

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