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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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    Pacers vs Bulls Hoopsworld Preview

    The Chicago Bulls fell one overtime loss short of sweeping their division this past season—something that's never been done before in the history of the league. That one loss, in which Chicago came roaring back from a huge deficit to force overtime, occurred in Indianapolis.

    So what does that mean for a series in which most people expect the first-seeded Bulls to blow the eighth-seeded Pacers out of the water? It means that, if Indiana is lucky, they might win one game, probably either Game 3 or Game 4, but it isn't likely.

    Despite that fact, and despite the fact that the Pacers are the only team in the entire playoffs to sneak into a first round series with a losing regular season record, Indiana's Danny Granger has already begun the proverbial talking of the trash. If, as Granger says, the Pacers can figure out a way to shut down Derrick Rose, do they have a shot in this series?

    Of course they do. If they shut down Derrick Rose. The problem with that scenario, as we all know, is that nobody has been able to do that so far.

    Point Guard: Derrick Rose vs. Darren Collison

    And who carries the most responsibility in making sure Rose doesn't kill the Pacers? None other than second-year guard Darren Collison, who had a much better second half of the season but still isn't in the same league as Rose.

    Considering the fact that Rose is a legitimate MVP candidate, it would be safe to say that there aren't many point guards in the NBA who are in the same league as Rose, but Indiana has been a particularly entertaining opponent for Derrick. It was against Collison and the Pacers that Rose scored a season-high 42 points back in March, and in fact his scoring output has increased every time he's played Indiana this season. On the year, Rose is averaging 27 ppg against the Pacers.

    As promising as Collison is, he's not ready for a playoff matchup with an MVP candidate who's got 3 inches and 30 pounds on him. He'll give it a valiant go, but let's be honest about this particular match-up—it's not even close.

    Advantage: Bulls

    Shooting Guard: Keith Bogans vs. Paul George

    On the one hand we've got Bogans, who as the starting shooting guard for the Eastern Conference's best team is ranked 131st among active guards in points per game, and the other hand we've got George, a rookie who's only been a starter for the last quarter of the season. Does either team really have what could be considered an advantage at this position?

    George has come on rather well in the second half of his rookie campaign, but by comparison Keith Bogans has postseason experience with the Magic and Spurs and comes into the series a lot more seasoned than his burgeoning counterpart. It would be surprising to have either player truly win (or lose, for that matter) a game in this series, and for that reason it's too hard to rate one higher than the other. We'll call this one a wash    .

    Advantage: Push

    Small Forward: Luol Deng vs. Danny Granger

    If any Pacer is going to win a game for the Pacers in this series, it's going to have to be Danny Granger, easily their best player. While his shot selection isn't always the smartest, he is a guy that pours in the buckets and should have a slight edge over Chicago's Luol Deng.

    That's not to take anything away from Deng, who is having arguably the best season of his career and plays as well as anybody off of D-Rose. However, Granger is a more gifted scorer and Indiana's first option. He's going to have more opportunities to excel on a grander scale in this series.

    Still, it says something about how not close this series is going to be when it's this difficult to choose between Chicago's third best player and Indiana's best player. Granger's better, but not by much.

    Advantage: Pacers

    Power Forward: Carlos Boozer vs. Tyler Hansbrough

    From almost the moment that Pacers head coach Frank Vogel took over for Jim O'Brien about halfway through the season, Tyler Hansbrough came alive as an NBA player. He rattled off a streak of games in March where he scored 20+ points in 6 of 7 straight games. Despite the surge, though, he's cooled off a bit as the regular season has calmed down, and even at his best he's got nowhere near the pedigree of Carlos Boozer.

    Boozer, who averages almost twice as many rebounds per game as Hansbrough does, has several season's worth of playoff experience to go off of, including a trip to the Western Conference Finals with Utah back in 2007. His size, statistical output, and experience (these will be Hansbrough's first playoff games, by comparison), make Boozer the easy favorite in this particular matchup.

    Advantage: Bulls

    Center: Joakim Noah vs. Roy Hibbert

    This should be one of the more entertaining match-ups to watch in this particular series since both teams' centers are so aggressive defensively and have a little bit of versatility on the offensive end of the floor, as well. Hibbert is the superior scorer and shot-blocker, but Noah is the better rebounder and passer. Both guys are the lynch-pins for their team's defense.

    All that said, Noah does a little bit more for his team than Hibbert does, despite the fact that Joakim has struggled a bit to close out the regular season. Rebounding is such an important part of playoff basketball, and Noah is so much better at it than Hibbert. Throw in Noah's very obvious spirited nature and the gasoline he tends to pour onto the competitive fire, and his intangibles make him more valuable to the Bulls than Hibbert is to the Pacers.

    Both teams are going to need their bigs to play a great series, but Noah just seems like the guy most poised to actually do it.
    Advantage: Bulls

    Bench: Taj Gibson, C.J. Watson, Kyle Korver, Ronnie Brewer, Kurt Thomas, & Omer Asik vs. Mike Dunleavy, Josh McRoberts, Brandon Rush, A.J. Price, Jeff Foster, and Dahntay Jones

    The Chicago Bulls have one of the best second units in the league, and the self-named "Bench Mob" has been holding things down for the starters like pros all year long. Gibson could easily be a starting power forward in this league, Kurt Thomas throws 'bows and anchors the second-team defense, Kyle Korver is probably the most gifted non-Rose offensive player on the roster capable of spreading the floor, and Brewer is an athletic defensive specialist who will likely spend most of his time locking down Paul George and Danny Granger.

    While Mike Dunleavy brings loads of scoring off the Indiana bench, and Josh McRoberts has far exceeded anyone's expectations this year, the rest of their bench unit doesn't come close to Chicago's, either in talent or in depth. It's bad enough that Chicago's first unit it so much better than Indy's, but the fact that their second unit is also this much better doesn't bode well for the Pacers.

    Advantage: Bulls

    Coaching – Tom Thibodeau vs. Frank Vogel

    As much as Vogel did for turning around Indiana's season, Thibodeau is the superior coach in just about every way imaginable. Where Vogel is an interim head coach after assistant coaching under Jim O'Brien for ten years, Thibodeau is a legit Coach of the Year candidate two years removed from a championship as an assistant with the Boston Celtics. And that's not mentioning the 22 years of NBA assistant coaching experience he had before getting his first head position with Chicago this past year.

    Thibs preaches defense, and he preaches 48 minutes of perfection. He's got a system that his players have spent all year buying into. Vogel, though a promising young coach, doesn't have anywhere near the experience or the system that Thibodeau does. While it won't be for lack of trying, it's nearly impossible to see Vogel out-coaching Thibodeau.

    Advantage: Bulls

    Prediction: Bulls in 4
    He is a homer , but man its like we shouldnt even show up
    Last edited by 90'sNBARocked; 04-14-2011, 12:35 PM.
    Sittin on top of the world!
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  • #2
    Re: Pacers vs Bulls Hoopsworld Preview

    Well...obviously it does work, or I wouldn't see this right now.

    Care to elaborate?

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    • #3
      Re: Pacers vs Bulls Hoopsworld Preview

      Originally posted by Shade View Post
      Well...obviously it does work, or I wouldn't see this right now.

      Care to elaborate?
      LOL

      You cant post anymore though without getting that freakin fatal error message

      you have to change the title in the post, then post a couple words, then go back and edited in

      dont know why but im going to ask my IT guys here at work

      anyway, yeah everone thinks will get swept, but after last nights pathetic effort , I can see why
      Sittin on top of the world!

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      • #4
        Re: Pacers vs Bulls Hoopsworld Preview

        I'll just go on record as saying the "Bench Mob" may be even dumber than some of the names tossed around for nicknaming our second unit


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          Re: Pacers vs Bulls Hoopsworld Preview

          Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
          LOL

          You cant post anymore though without getting that freakin fatal error message

          you have to change the title in the post, then post a couple words, then go back and edited in

          dont know why but im going to ask my IT guys here at work

          anyway, yeah everone thinks will get swept, but after last nights pathetic effort , I can see why
          You do realize we didn't give two ****s about last nights game?


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          • #6
            Re: Pacers vs Bulls Hoopsworld Preview

            Predicting a sweep. That is awesome.

            I just would like to start each game and not be down ten points six minutes into the first quater. Tyler is going to have to hit his mid range jumpers for that to happen. MC Roberts played well vs Chi in January, he and Brandon Rush or MDJ are going to have to be factors and the Pacers can win some games.

            I hope DG33 takes the ball to the basket and doesnt settle for jumpers. Attempt to get Luol Deng in foul trouble. Danny is going to have to step up his game this series or he'll be shipped out this offseason.

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            • #7
              Re: Pacers vs Bulls Hoopsworld Preview

              I agree with him and not most of you who say the pacers bench is better than the Bulls. At worst they are even, but I would give the Bulls bench a slight advantage
              Last edited by Unclebuck; 04-14-2011, 01:55 PM.

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              • #8
                Re: Pacers vs Bulls Hoopsworld Preview

                My main hope is that the Roy from last night doesn't show up.

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                  Re: Pacers vs Bulls Hoopsworld Preview

                  Despite that fact, and despite the fact that the Pacers are the only team in the entire playoffs to sneak into a first round series with a losing regular season record
                  While that is true... to a point.... The way they made the playoffs and got back into the playoff picture at all was posting a winning record under Vogel after the coaching change. Looking at the overall record alone it might appear they backed into the playoffs... but the reality is they fought their way into them.

                  They deserve to be there more than their record might indicate on first glance...
                  Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                  ------

                  "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                  -John Wooden

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                  • #10
                    Re: Pacers vs Bulls Hoopsworld Preview

                    The Chicago Bulls fell one overtime loss short of sweeping their division this past season—something that's never been done before in the history of the league. That one loss, in which Chicago came roaring back from a huge deficit to force overtime, occurred in Indianapolis.
                    Wow...I had no idea about this. Impressive, even within our pathetic division.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Pacers vs Bulls Hoopsworld Preview

                      Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                      You do realize we didn't give two ****s about last nights game?
                      I do, but not understanding the significane to the OP
                      Sittin on top of the world!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Pacers vs Bulls Hoopsworld Preview

                        Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                        I do, but not understanding the significane to the OP
                        You mentioned last night's effort as being "pathetic" in response to the Magic game. And I'm saying that game is well...channeling my inner JOB here...irrelevant.


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                        • #13
                          Re: Pacers vs Bulls Hoopsworld Preview

                          I think Hibbert is better than Joakim Noah (Not to mention that he is more reliable).

                          I think that Danny is significantly better than Luol Deng.

                          I think that the power forward matchup is going to kill us. Tyler can not guard Boozer due to quickness, athleticism issues and Josh isn't tough enough inside to guard Boozer.

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                            Re: Pacers vs Bulls Hoopsworld Preview

                            Originally posted by Lou Bega View Post

                            Tyler is going to have to hit his mid range jumpers for that to happen.
                            it will be interesting to me to see how much attention the Bulls pay to that bread and butter play of the Pacers. They can stop it if they deem it important enough - will open up some other players though.

                            My guess is the Bulls will put some heavy emphasis on that play. After they gameplan for Granger I suspect they will look to shut off the pick and rolls with Darren and Tyler


                            General comment - That is why in the playoffs you learn what players are really, really good, because defenses have the time to devise a plan to stop the best players and that is why it is even more impressive when the best players still excel

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                              Re: Pacers vs Bulls Hoopsworld Preview

                              Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                              You mentioned last night's effort as being "pathetic" in response to the Magic game. And I'm saying that game is well...channeling my inner JOB here...irrelevant.
                              my bad

                              got ya bro
                              Sittin on top of the world!

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