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4/10/2011 Game Thread #81: Pacers Vs. Knicks

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  • Re: 4/10/2011 Game Thread #81: Pacers Vs. Knicks

    Originally posted by JEM View Post
    Probably should have went to Hibbert / Hansbrough more in the post.. Knicks really didnt have anyone that could stop them.



    Well.. The Pacers have put Hansbrough back in the same position he was with JOB and thats a jump shooter.

    During his 20 point stretch not only was he getting ~33 minutes a game but also getting the ball in many different situations. (1) Pick n Roll (2) Low Post (3) 10-12 FT out in the Post where he could face up and drive or shoot.

    Since then he has gotten less minutes and has more or less just been a pick and roll player. Which is severely limiting him IMO.
    The offense wasn't running efficiently when Tyler was jacking the ball up every time it was in his hands. While his own personal stats were good, the rest of the team could not play off him at all.

    Tyler is a much more valuable asset to the teams offense when he works within the offense. In this case this means him taking choice jumps shots through out the game as well as PnR's.

    Also, it's worth noting that using Tyler at the elbow is were he is best used, he can drive and shoot that J. Tyler in the post generally ends up in him getting blocked by people such as Al Horford last game.

    Hibbert is a much better low post scorer than Tyler, and so as we have seen the last 10 games or so, the Pacers as a whole have played a much better offense.

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    • Re: 4/10/2011 Game Thread #81: Pacers Vs. Knicks

      Rick Smits went #2 overall in his draft.

      Large market teams can win titles w/o sucking bigtime and drafting
      at the top. Aside from one or two exceptions born of sheer luck in
      recent decades, small market teams cannot.

      It's long since water over the bridge and thus irrelevant. But croz24
      is correct.

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      • Re: 4/10/2011 Game Thread #81: Pacers Vs. Knicks

        I like where our team is all things considered. Maybe PG can eclipse Danny in a few years, but I don't know. And, if that hypothetical plays out, PG will also have to make big-time strides with his handles or else we'll continue to be without the current missing ingredient on offense - someone who can manufacture points off the dribble. Collison is the only guy who can do this.

        I'm sorry to rain on anyone's parade, but Danny is a jump shooter pure and simple. He needs that other element to play off of...as do all our guys. DG would be even more effective with a a guy with that skill set capable of producing around as many points, and, hopefully, capable of carrying some of the big shot pressure.

        EDIT: If that means the guy we add is Danny's "equal", then great. It's 1 and 1A or whatever. The point is that he's being asked to do something that he's not really capable of. I have made a complete about face as far as the type of player we should be pursuing. Sure, if you get a no brainer deal/free agent at any position you do it. But, outside of that, I'm trying to find that missing element, hard as it may be. I think it's more important than shoring up 4/5 or getting some additional strength at 1.
        Last edited by D-BONE; 04-11-2011, 06:46 AM.
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        • Re: 4/10/2011 Game Thread #81: Pacers Vs. Knicks

          I'm not even sure you can say that Granger blatantly pushed off their at the end. He just brought his forearm up, didn't extend his arms in a shoving motion. I also can't believe that Carmelo was able to recover as fast as he did, he was facing the complete opposite direction as Danny as setting up the shot. Foul is a foul though and they should have called it.

          I do agree though it was a very bad play call. You can't beat a team with the same shot twice. All the more reason to call the foul though. Cause if you know its coming, then there shouldn't a foul committed. Chalk it up to the superstar calls that ruin the NBA.

          I think a great play would have been to put McBob in and let Danny ISO only to lob it to McBob in front of the Rim for the easy Alley oop. They could have run this with Paul George too.
          You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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          • Re: 4/10/2011 Game Thread #81: Pacers Vs. Knicks

            Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
            I'm not even sure you can say that Granger blatantly pushed off their at the end. He just brought his forearm up, didn't extend his arms in a shoving motion. I also can't believe that Carmelo was able to recover as fast as he did, he was facing the complete opposite direction as Danny as setting up the shot. Foul is a foul though and they should have called it.

            I do agree though it was a very bad play call. You can't beat a team with the same shot twice. All the more reason to call the foul though. Cause if you know its coming, then there shouldn't a foul committed. Chalk it up to the superstar calls that ruin the NBA.

            I think a great play would have been to put McBob in and let Danny ISO only to lob it to McBob in front of the Rim for the easy Alley oop. They could have run this with Paul George too.
            Anything other than what they went with. I almost wonder, since they were playing with house money, if they shouldn't have given DC, PG or Hansborough the shot at the game-winner. We know DG can hit it, why not give a younger player a chance? Never know who you might need to hit that shot in the playoffs.

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            • Re: 4/10/2011 Game Thread #81: Pacers Vs. Knicks

              Well rather than add to this complaining where we don't even appear to have a post game thread on freaking Fan App night, I'll say one of the best moments was PAUL GEORGE - everyone is handing out stuff from their preset buckets (plastic basketballs and actual shoes, both getting signed and handed out) and Paul gets so into it he takes off his jersey and hands it to a guy.

              Wow.

              Wait a sec, I see a Pacers person come get the guy and bring him under the ropes. Maybe to get it signed, maybe this is a contest? Nope. Rookie Paul forgot he still needed to use the jersey a few more times this season and they made the guy give it back.

              Whoops. Nice try kid.

              The guy was given a voucher for some item later it appears, maybe even the jersey after the season is over, who knows.



              I thought DC was outstanding in this game, just brilliant at times. His worst play was throwing that pass that was easily stolen late in the game, but most of the night he read when the Knicks overplayed and left him chances to drive and made the most of it.

              And AJ Price was very sharp as well. I had front row baseline for the game and was amazed a few times at Price's recover and anticipation on defense. I think I've been giving him the short end of the stick on that one, he was tearing it up. He had a couple of dive down steals anticipating entry passes.


              The clearly had no good scoring options/plays down the stretch which is nothing new, but otherwise it wasn't too shabby an effort.



              PS - F**** KNICKS FANS
              Yeesh did it suck having so many loud, drunk a-holes chanting M V P for Melo all night.

              Good job A55 giving them a taste of the "OVER RATED" chant at least.

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              • Re: 4/10/2011 Game Thread #81: Pacers Vs. Knicks

                Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                Well rather than add to this complaining where we don't even appear to have a post game thread on freaking Fan App night, I'll say one of the best moments was PAUL GEORGE - everyone is handing out stuff from their preset buckets (plastic basketballs and actual shoes, both getting signed and handed out) and Paul gets so into it he takes off his jersey and hands it to a guy.

                Wow.

                Wait a sec, I see a Pacers person come get the guy and bring him under the ropes. Maybe to get it signed, maybe this is a contest? Nope. Rookie Paul forgot he still needed to use the jersey a few more times this season and they made the guy give it back.

                Whoops. Nice try kid.

                The guy was given a voucher for some item later it appears, maybe even the jersey after the season is over, who knows.



                I thought DC was outstanding in this game, just brilliant at times. His worst play was throwing that pass that was easily stolen late in the game, but most of the night he read when the Knicks overplayed and left him chances to drive and made the most of it.

                And AJ Price was very sharp as well. I had front row baseline for the game and was amazed a few times at Price's recover and anticipation on defense. I think I've been giving him the short end of the stick on that one, he was tearing it up. He had a couple of dive down steals anticipating entry passes.


                The clearly had no good scoring options/plays down the stretch which is nothing new, but otherwise it wasn't too shabby an effort.



                PS - F**** KNICKS FANS
                Yeesh did it suck having so many loud, drunk a-holes chanting M V P for Melo all night.

                Good job A55 giving them a taste of the "OVER RATED" chant at least.
                Most players change jerseys from game to game so he could have gave the jersey away.. Before the rev 30 most would have to change thier jersey at halftime.

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                • Re: 4/10/2011 Game Thread #81: Pacers Vs. Knicks

                  Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                  I thought DC was outstanding in this game, just brilliant at times. His worst play was throwing that pass that was easily stolen late in the game, but most of the night he read when the Knicks overplayed and left him chances to drive and made the most of it.

                  And AJ Price was very sharp as well. I had front row baseline for the game and was amazed a few times at Price's recover and anticipation on defense. I think I've been giving him the short end of the stick on that one, he was tearing it up. He had a couple of dive down steals anticipating entry passes.
                  Price has been inconsistent defensively, but when he's been good, he's been really really good. (Against Nash is the best example)

                  I don't know where the inconsistency comes from, because I don't think there's ever an issue of effort with Price. And it's obviously not physical (except for Stuckey, but last time they played he defended Stuckey really well) because when you can guard Nash the way AJ did, you can pretty much guard anyone. But I wonder if it's simply knowing other points games, because his best defensive efforts have been against better known PGs.

                  The kid just needs to get consistent next season. His shot, his defense, his mentality, his free throw shooting ect..everything has been off and on this season. (Although, as I was saying previously..Price's mentality switched back to a much more traditional PG the second Dun entered the lineup and Rush started scoring. Probably because..you know..there were actual scoring options - that could score in the flow of the offense. Second unit offense, especially with Roy, is just pretty.)

                  Last 3 minutes not withstanding, DC was awesome. And he played his game. Scoring pgs can work. DC can work.

                  I also think DC's defense has improved a lot. It's not good. But it's significantly better. I still think he's not all that laterally quick. But he can improve. DC strikes me as a hardworker, and a guy that'll try and put effort into improving himself.

                  I've said it 100 times. Give the kids, particularly these two - you know, the guys playing the hardest position - a year or two to develop. My guess is by the end of next season, if both are given time and a chance to improve their game (and stay healthy) we'll be happy with them.
                  Last edited by Sookie; 04-12-2011, 10:30 PM.

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                  • Re: 4/10/2011 Game Thread #81: Pacers Vs. Knicks

                    Hahahahahahahhahahaha I don't know where to put this so I will drop it off here:

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