But better than that, I would definitely be very pleased if the Pacers were able to acquire Hinrich along with Smith. As far as I'm concerned, defensive PFs don't come any better than Smith, and Hinrich offers leadership along with a complete game at both ends of the floor. Hopefully, Hinrich could be extended a couple of years as part of the deal.
But a Chandler, Smith, Granger, Hinrich and George/Dunleavy lineup would do great. George is obviously the long-term solution, but Dunleavy's weaker man-on-man defensive skills would be covered up very well in this lineup.
Backup C, Starting SG, and backup PG are our biggest need. I say let our current starting 5 grow together. Personally, I would go after our own players in Josh McRoberts and Mike Dunleavy. I would make some type of trade that would involve Rush and D. Jones. The players I would go after...
Caron Butler (I would try him at the SG spot)
J.R. Smith (Why not? Plus he's only 25)
DeAndre Jordan (When have the Clippers ever resign anyone?)
Jose Juan Barea
Honestly, any trade attempts that I made would be to land a starting SG. I really hope that Indiana revisits the trade to acquire OJ Mayo.
I just feel this team needs to get bigger, stronger, and tougher - period. I dont see any physically imposing player on the roster. Even Roy at 7"2 gets pushed around. The 2000 team may not have had the athleticism this team has, but it was tougher by far. I like Vogel promoting a smash mouth brand of ball, I just dont think he has the horses to run that race!
First Tyson is older and injury prone. The guy can be counted on to barely play 30 minutes. Expecting him to play 82 games every season is ridiculous. If we were to sign him and trade Hibbert, we'd suddenly lose our only legit low post threat. We'd also lose our shot blocking presence. In fact, adding Tyson, while losing Hibbert would almost be a negative in nearly every aspect of the game.
Now supposing we can think outside of our ESPN designed box, we'd realize signing Tyson and starting him at the 4 along with Hibbert would make us an excellent defense in the paint. But since Tyson plays the 5, and ESPN told us a long time ago that there is a massive difference between the nearly identical positions, we know this is unpossible.
Personally, I don't think the Pacers FO is really going to make a run at anyone in the Free Agent class. They are going to use their financial position to make a big trade. The Grizz want to keep Randolph and I think trading Mayo for a first round pick is ideal for them. This will allow them to pay more $ to keep him. Hopefully after getting Mayo, we look to trade for another PF because there are no good long term solutions in the Free Agency market. The only two I can see the Pacers having interest in is Jeff Green and Carl Landry, but thats IF there teams don't sign them. We are all hoping for Josh Smith and I think offering Rush, McBob in a S&T and two first round picks would be enough--This is best case scenario, but definetely possible to pull off
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I have 2 words for you, Mr. Kim Kardashian.
He'd be a solid replacement for Foster in the lineup.
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I think Tyson Chandler can still play the 4. He'd be a good fit here, but I don't see Dallas letting him walk away.
There isn't much this offseason so I hope we don't settle.
I'd like to try and sign and trade for Eric Gordon in 2012.
I'll be happy with key trades for guys like Josh Smith.
My list (in order of priority) would be:
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
for those seriously suggesting trade hibbert, GTFO! jmo...
However, I would NOT play Roy and Chandler together. Chandler just would not be a good presence away from the paint... at all.... on either end of the floor. I can agree with you that if you have a PF that is not good away from the paint, that your center and PF are interchangeable. But, if you begin to look at defending away from the basket, playing a PnR game and also playing a good mid-range game, you just are not going to find many, if any at all, true centers that have those skills. I don't need ESPN or anyone else to tell me this, it is something that is blatantly obvious.
Anyone who doesnt look at Tyson Chandler as an upgrade over Hibbert is hopeless. Even if Roy develops better than we think he will never be better than Tyson. And as far as injury prone goes, Chandler has played over 70 games in 7 of the 10 years in the league. Thats not injury prone, it is pretty good for a physical Center. Of course Roy will play more because he is soft and will never challenge inside enough to get hurt in the first place.
If all of these players are to good to replace, why in the heck are they so far under 500? Why are they backing into a playing spot with a bad record? The bottom line is every position should be looked at because not one Pacer player is playing good enough to say his position cant get upgraded!
As to your second paragraph, it's even sillier. No one on here is saying the Pacers shouldn't improve, they obviously should. That's what this entire thread is about. However, when looking to improve, you should first look to the positions that are most in need of upgrading. Center isn't one of those positions. Shooting guard, power forward, etc., are far higher on the list of needed upgrades.
I understand concern about Tyson Chandler, but I would be concerned with a lot of players who get max deals (anyone say Joe Johnson?).
It seems the only position that everyone on here wants to upgrade is PF. Tyler seems to be the only one not doing a good job. Want to upgrade Center - no way Roy will be a star; Want to upgrade SG, PG, SF = same thing. Every thread that mentions upgrading a position gets slammed except PF. I think this is ridiculous.
I dont think its to unreasonable to look at all 5 positions , but if you think about bringin in Tyson Chandler, he will upgrade 2-3 positions at once. He will instantly upgrade the Center position and then Roy could be traded to fill a couple other needs as well. I cannot see Roy not bringing back at least 2 quality starters in a trade. If not, I wouldnt let him go!
I am not advocating this, I am just bringing it up because this is a discussion board. This thread is for that reason!
In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!
<---- Hansbrough smiling in the training room after Gerald Henderson's cheap shot. UNC won the game, Tyler was happy so he took this picture. Roy Williams keeps it on his desk.
For those that think that we can make a run at Josh Smith, what do you think that we have that the Hawks would be interested in?
Granger is probably the most likely candidate that would be included....mainly for the level of talent that the Hawks would need back...but realistically, I don't see how getting another scorer would help the Hawks....if they move Josh Smith....they will desperately need some Big Man help....especially at the Center spot...not at the SF spot.
My total guess is that if the Hawks were interested in moving Josh Smith....they'd likely ask for Hibbert and Hansbrough and not Granger.
Last edited by CableKC; 04-11-2011 at 02:40 AM.
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As far as our need goes, I dont see us really needing Josh Smith as much as Horford. I dont think we need another small power forward. If we go after a big (and I assume we will), it needs to be a guy who can play both the 4-5. Thats why I would rather have Horford. But I really dont see Atlanta getting rid of either one unless they get a true Center in return.
Personally, I think Hibbert has more value than Smith. So no way I would even consider throwing in Hans.