You are inventing something that never existed. Ron and JO were not able to co-exist which was at the root of many of the issues. Sure, they had a very good run at the beginning of 2004 and looked dominant, but assuming a championship is a stretch. While we had talent, JO was always injured and Ron cracked in the playoffs. Bender was showing signs that year and amounted to nothing.
I've been watching basketball since before you were born and while I recognize the team had a lot of talent there is more to winning basketball games than talent. I presume you don't remember the team with Shaq, Kobe, Malone and Gary Payton 7 or 8 years ago. Three maybe 4 HOF'ers. They had their fair share of talent and couldn't co-exist either. ...and they never won a championship with that group because of it. ...and our Pacers were not remotely close to being that talented.
Why is this matter being discussed so much? It has nothing to do with the rest of the season. It must be a slow night
It doesn't happen that way. Because they wouldn't have won. You can't win with a bunch of cancers and poor team chemistry.
Heck, even Kobe and Shaq couldn't win when their chemistry was at it's poorest.
Since all those teams passed on him in the draft, what has Lance done this year to change their minds?
He's shown slop on the court and off the court to convince them to avoid him, but what was his sales job that says "you should pay a price to acquire me"?
And on top of that, those teams also know he's straining his situation with the Pacers and might become a "free" risk if they just wait out the Pacers. Why go for Lance when you can get Aaron Brooks or DJ Augustin or even go cheaper with Patty Mills? Why would you trade for Lance over Bayless even? Surely Bayless has to still have plenty of potential and might be viewed as a guy that hasn't been in the right situations (and I'm not one of his fanboys, just talking about his rep as a player).
Exactly. No one will trade for Lance Stephenson. MAYBE we can toss him in a deal MAYBE. However, if they really wanted him why wouldn't they just wait for him to be cut?
Why not? If you remembered that team, certainly you wouldn't be jumping to conclusions with a far less talented team. Also, you are the one making the big-time presumptions.
Surely a strong November by a team isn't enough to stamp them a contender. The same team that folded the prior year when they faced Fatoine and Pierce in the playoffs with JOb coaching them.
Fact is, JO and Bender would have fell apart by the end of the year. In fact, JO did fall apart shooting 36% from the floor in the playoffs. People were all excited about Bender at the beginning of that year too...and he played a total of 7 games. He didn't even sniff the playoffs. Jack and Ron wouldn't have been enough. That team needed a lot to come together and all it did was fall apart.
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I thought Karl was still pretty decent until injuries got the better of him. Nothing like his prime, of course, but still a pretty good player.
The Pacers didn't select him with the last pick of the draft, chances are he would have been drafted if it wasn't for the Pacers. Hell he may have gone right after the Pacers if the pacers passed on him.
You are still missing my whole point. My point is you don't know until you ask. It is stupid not to ask, absolutely idiotic. So what if they all say no, it changes absolutely nothing. You can cut him and be done with him knowing that it was in fact that you couldn't get something for him.
Why is this so ****ing hard for you people to understand. It is better to put him out there and try to get something for him, than not put him out there and guarantee you get nothing for him. It is simple logic.
I think you're getting upset over what is largely semantics. Yes, technically, you're right; we don't know, and we're estimating.
But I think we're fine with that, and I think we're very confident in our assumption that his trade value is extremely low right now.
Of course it doesn't hurt to ask, but I/we also think it's a safe assumption that there will be no deal worth making, and ultimately he'll either be cut or just not re-signed.
I doubt anyone here is adamant that the Pacers not even try to find a deal, I just think those wanting him gone ASAP assume there is no trade worth making available, and they're leaving that concept unspoken while they call for his head.
Pssst. The playoffs are getting ready to happen, who gives a flying about Lance's drama, it'll work it's self out.
"Just look at the flowers ........ BANG"
It makes me almost physically ill when I think about the fact that we cut Magnum Rolle and kept Lance. And now Rolle has been signed by the Hawks after looking solid in the D-League. Ugh.
Please ditch this clown ASAP...
Shawne also burn his bridges in Dallas too after being traded there. Artest went through 3 teams (Bulls, Pacers, Kings) before straightening out long enough to contribute with the Lakers.
Do the Pacers feel like waiting 3 or 4 seasons before Lance figures out his issues and gets it together? That's the question everyone needs to ask themselves as fans too.
If he goes to another team and blows up in 3 or 4 years... so what? I'm convinced the Pacers will have a player better than him at that point be it Paul George or someone else via trade, draft, or free agency. There's a reason that 29 other teams took a pass on him in the draft. Some teams passed on him 2-3 times and even his home town Knicks wouldn't give him a chance.
Why wait 3-4 years to see what you have, taking up a valuable roster spot all the while, when you could go out and try and get a veteran who can bring your team some stability and professionalism? I'd drop him and go after Shane Battier in a heartbeat this summer if I was Larry Bird. Mike Dunleavy >> than Lance Stephenson at this point.
I'm just glad that TJ is back with the team and has a chance to play in the playoffs. I have a feeling foul trouble for Collison and Price might be a factor in a couple of games and his experience and ability to get the ball up the court quickly could come in handy.
I think is funny how people here have a short memory, how you forget that Swilliams was traded for 2 not 1 but 2 second round picks? the guy was hanging out with a killer and drug dealers and still got a job in the NBA, Lance value is low but I think is possible that if the Pacers decided to trade him they could get some value in return, by the way can anybody tell me how many people were booing SW when he was in Conseco this weekend?
For whatever reason Bird seems to really wnat this kid to succeed
I think Lance will have a specific , tailored off season program, with ACCOUNTABILITY, and the Pacers will evaluate next year
Bird seems to think he can "reach" people
We shall see
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