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    Default Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

    After clinching the eighth tonight, does this mean Vogel locks up the job in your opinion?! Does he deserve it yet? He accomplished exactly what I wanted at the beginning of the season. PLAYOFFS!!
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    Default Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

    No.

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    Default Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

    Certainly not.

    Although as many will point out, a playoff series is a good way to test the mettle of a head coach. How he deals with the adjustments through a series against the same opponent will be telling. As good of an audition for the position as anything.
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    I want to see how we do in the post-season before anyone anoints him as our head coach. I really like Vogel and I think that he has some great potential as our very own Brad Stevens, but I want to wait just a tad bit longer.
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    Default Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

    No, this is never the case for an interim head coach.

    He's most likely going to get the first interview as Bird said when we first named him head coach, but it won't mean that Vogel is definitely the head coach.

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    Default Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

    Depends on how he does against Chicago. As a side note, I REALLY hope it's Chicago. I live in Iowa, and the Chicago Bulls is the "local" team for us.

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    Depends on how he does against Chicago. As a side note, I REALLY hope it's Chicago. I live in Iowa, and the Chicago Bulls is the "local" team for us.
    I hope if it is Chicago that at least some bandwagon Pacer fans come to Conseco. I do NOT want to go to those games and see a crapload of Bulls fans.

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    Default Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

    95% Yes.

    He accomplished the goal we set at the start of this season. He took over in the midst of what looked to be yet another wasted season, with a struggling Hibbert, slumping Granger, second-year PG with a learning curve, and then lost Dunleavy (who some may not like, but certainly plays a role on this team), and he still made the playoffs. Maybe we didn't set the world on fire, but he did start off with a tremendous record. I think he is definitely responsible for getting the production out of this team that we thought they were capable of. He's brought a new attitude and a new excitement to the Pacers, and gotten us back to the playoffs.

    And, with a guy like Bird who is loyal to his guys, I think Frank will get the job. With a full offseason, training camp, and all that, I think he gets even better.

    The 5% chance that he doesn't get the job is in case we get swept out of the playoffs in 2 or 3 games. By that I mean that if the team gets blown out so miserably that they give up hope, and Vogel isn't able to get their best effort in the playoffs, then he may not be the guy.

    All that said, he has my vote.
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    I hope if it is Chicago that at least some bandwagon Pacer fans come to Conseco. I do NOT want to go to those games and see a crapload of Bulls fans.
    It's gonna be Chi-town they have pretty much clinched they are playing for the #1 overall seed now.

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    I hope if it is Chicago that at least some bandwagon Pacer fans come to Conseco. I do NOT want to go to those games and see a crapload of Bulls fans.
    Pretty much in the playoffs, everyone in the home city's fans sell the arena out.

    Yeah there will probably be a couple of Bulls fans there, but there's a ton of Pacers fan waiting for this moment for years and will get their tickets fast. That's why I gotta get mine once they go on sale and a flight which won't be easy around Easter.

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    Pretty much in the playoffs, everyone in the home city's fans sell the arena out.

    Yeah there will probably be a couple of Bulls fans there, but there's a ton of Pacers fan waiting for this moment for years and will get their tickets fast. That's why I gotta get mine once they go on sale and a flight which won't be easy around Easter.
    It really wont be i guarntee there will be more Bulls fans. They may buy tickets but they will sell them to scalpers and then to Bulls fans.

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    Default Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

    When the Pacers hired O'Brien, the goal was simply to make the playoffs. When the next coach is hired, with the pieces we have and the cap flexibility we will soon enjoy, the goal will be to turn this roster into a contender for an NBA championship. Whether or not Frank Vogel is the guy for that job is not my call to make, but it's a tall order for a rookie head coach, regardless of his prior NBA experience.

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    Pretty much in the playoffs, everyone in the home city's fans sell the arena out.

    Yeah there will probably be a couple of Bulls fans there, but there's a ton of Pacers fan waiting for this moment for years and will get their tickets fast. That's why I gotta get mine once they go on sale and a flight which won't be easy around Easter.
    They are on sale now.

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    Pretty much in the playoffs, everyone in the home city's fans sell the arena out.

    Yeah there will probably be a couple of Bulls fans there, but there's a ton of Pacers fan waiting for this moment for years and will get their tickets fast. That's why I gotta get mine once they go on sale and a flight which won't be easy around Easter.

    do you want to bet.

    There will be a significant number of Bulls fans.

    Trust me casual Pacers fans aren't too impressed by the playoff berth

    If the pacers were playing the hawks in the first round I would expect around 13,000 to 14,000 at the games. The Bulls fans will make ita sellout - so that means 4000 Bulls fans

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    If we win 3 games or somehow steal the series then YES. Otherwise I say it is way too early to determine.

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    do you want to bet.

    There will be a significant number of Bulls fans.

    Trust me casual Pacers fans aren't too impressed by the playoff berth

    If the pacers were playing the hawks in the first round I would expect around 13,000 to 14,000 at the games. The Bulls fans will make ita sellout - so that means 4000 Bulls fans
    I bet even more Bulls fans show much cheaper than a playoff game in the UC.

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    I bet even more Bulls fans show much cheaper than a playoff game in the UC.

    I won't bet against you. I hope there are only 3,000 - 4,000 Bulls fans.

    Pacers are aware of the situation that is why tickets for those who live outsie Indiana don't go on sale until Sunday

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    They are on sale now.

    Not if you live outside of Indiana

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    sure hope not. not much structure or much of an offensive or defensive philosophy to vogel other than telling the players to just go out and play. not exactly what i desire in a head coach.

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    I hate to mix metaphors by making analogies across sports lines... but I am a huge Reds fan and a huge Pacers fans. Similarities and comparisons are inevitable. Bear with me on this... it eventually gets to the point of the post.

    On the night the Pacers clinch the playoff berth the Reds start the season 5-0. And this from a team that until scooting into the playoffs last season, had gone 15 years without a postseason.

    The Reds have turned it around for 3 reasons - development of young talent that you can build a franchise around, bringing in the right mix of veterans to surround the young talent, and a veteran manager.

    It's a blueprint for success in any sport. So compare that to the Pacers situation:

    Development of young talent: CHECK

    Bringing in the right mix of veterans to surround the young talent: TBD
    Despite Foster and Posey and Jones, this team lacks the right amount and the right kinds of veterans... such as a veteran backup point guard, and one or two of those savvy vets who bring an intangible that come crunch time it makes a difference - for me that is the type of player that this franchise has added in the past -- a Haywoode Workman, Byron Scott, Sam Mitchell, Sam Perkins, Chris Mullin -- that helps the team make the gigantic next step.

    Veteran Coach: TBD
    I really really like Coach Vogel. So much that typing this is tough for me. But I think to take the next step, this team needs a Jerry Sloan-ish veteran, not an upstart coach. If the team had a better balance of youth and vets, maybe Coach Vogel would be fine. But I just don't think he is the right guy right now.

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    The Pacers are 19-16 since they hired Frank Vogel.

    And if everyone on this board was accurate in how they described the players during losses, Frank did that with an entire roster of crappy players..and Hans and George. :P

    on a serious note, I don't think he's earned the job. I think he's earned the first interview though.

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    I won't bet against you. I hope there are only 3,000 - 4,000 Bulls fans.

    Pacers are aware of the situation that is why tickets for those who live outsie Indiana don't go on sale until Sunday
    It also depends on the day If it will be a weekend game there will be tons and if it is a week day game some will still will show. Chicago has very good traveling fans. Plus there is so much hype around that team in chicago because how they have played this year.

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    sure hope not. not much structure or much of an offensive or defensive philosophy to vogel other than telling the players to just go out and play. not exactly what i desire in a head coach.
    My thoughts exactly. I've been clinging to the thought of Jerry Sloan coming in but maybe im being too much of a homer.

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    Default Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

    If he wins the series against Chicago, I'd put him at 80% for coming back as head coach.

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    Well, the rate the team's won at extrapolates to 45-ish wins over the course of an entire season. Assuming some development in the roster and a summer to implement his own staff, I don't see why 50 wins would be a reach. But that would be assuming he could keep the team winning at this rate.

    I realize there's not much of a "system" in place, but if I had to choose between the old regime of having such a system that players have to be played out of position and have to play to their weaknesses, or the "get out and play with heart" ball that Vogel seems to prefer, I choose the latter.

    Of course, this doesn't mean there aren't better candidate and that systems are bad. The right coach is the right coach. However, I think Vogel deserves the first (but not last) interview as more than just just a friendly gesture.


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    If he wins the series against Chicago, I'd put him at 80% for coming back as head coach.
    If he wins a first round series coaching an 8th seed that he's only been leading for 70-ish days against a 1 seed that happens to have the presumed MVP on it as well as an outstanding head coach, and is also a division rival, I'd put him at 1,000% for coming back as head coach.

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