This is offseason will make or break this team going forward.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...
So what happens when Hibbert Collison Hansbrough McRoberts and Rush are all veterans/QUOTE]
What happens when Rush is traded this off season and McBob isn't re-signed?
Oh btw, that player that was to have been in the trade with Charlotte last year where Rush was part of the trade, Henderson, scored 32 points last night. Bird knew something that apparently you don't.
Last edited by Justin Tyme; 04-07-2011 at 03:20 PM.
If Larry trades for anyone this summer it will not be veterans. He has proven time and time again that his goal is to build through the development of the young players. Sure we got Collison through a trade, but Vogel has really started developing him into a real threat.
I see a draft day trade is more likely than us throwing way to much money on a trash veteran like Ben Gordon. That is way to risky. It would be a dire mistake for us do such. That's how we got Hibbert, McRoberts, and Rush, through draft day trades. All solid draft picks for where they were selected. Sure other teams picked them and traded us their rights, and in Josh's case, he developed on the bench a year in Portland, but these are our guys.
I'll say it again. These are our guys. This is how we build, through the draft and development of young talent. Just like the Colts a few blocks away. It will bring us a championship if Larry stays his course.
If anything this is a plea for Larry to hang around a couple of more years and allow Vogel to do the same and see this thing out. I'm thinking best case scenario only because I believe we will win a championship in my lifetime and this is the best chance we've had since 1998 and noone lives forever.
I haven't been more proud of a Pacers team since we took Jordan to game 7, in the series where Reggie proved he deserves to be a first ballot hall of famer in an NBA Hall of Fame. The years after that the glory was lost and no matter how good we were in the regular season, our team had holes and fatal flaws that made a championship almost impossible after 1998, well that and Shaq lol. Trading Antonio Davis for anyone was Walsh's biggest mistake, and it hurts even more it ended up being for Bender. I think that's ultimately what prevented us from stopping Shaq Daddy that year in the Finals.
Those teams were not as good as the 98 team still though. We regressed and kept regressing to the point where about 2007-2009 was the bottom. Retooling for Artest and company was a huge mistake as well regardless of how many games we won because it decimated our fanbase. I think we will keep improving from here on and hopefully to the Caliber of the 98 team, only we bring it home this time.
Other teams figured us out when we lost 8 out of 9, but for once, we adjusted. Thank you Vogel. We're in the playoffs. Let's steal one in Chicago in bring it back home with true purpose!!!
Last edited by Midcoasted; 04-07-2011 at 03:19 PM.
i want us to be a solid playoff team not we'll make the playoffs this season and then blow it next season like some teams from the east did this season
this is a nice start but this team needs more
we have some good young guys on this team but we'll need to bring in more talent
In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!
[QUOTE=Justin Tyme;1209360]We become less talented? Maybe we can sign some scrubs like Solo and Posey to replace them and play over them?
I think Rush may not be safe, because of his pot issues, but he seems to be the type of guy you want coming off the bench on a championship contender. Why let him go if he has decided to only smoke on the offseason? Plays great perimeter defense and can hit the three in crunch time. He can be had for cheap.
I also think letting McRoberts go would be a mistake because he is the best passer on the team, or at least in the conversation with Collison and Stephenson. He just gets the hustle plays that matter. I see him as a Jeff Foster with a more polished all around game. Why let him walk if he can be had for 3-4 mil a year for 3 years? Hasn't he only improved with time and is only 23 years old? He would only be 26 when his deal is up.
Last edited by Midcoasted; 04-07-2011 at 03:27 PM.
Don't attack posters because they aren't negativity addicts. This is the only reputable Pacers board on the net. We don't have enough homers here. We have way to many pessimists and doubters. If this is the only way I can help to balance that then so be it. I'll take the most extreme stand and stand alone. Many other posters can congregate on the other side of the spectrum and think we have no shot and our talent just isn't good enough. They can also think there's all this talent running around out there that we will have to acquire before we compete. It isn't easy to come by.
Talent isn't everything. Chemisty, cohesion, and team play all define a team. Not just this notion that we have to become more talented with big moves that could backfire and tie our hands for years to come this offseason.
I said the same thing....others have implied the same thing.
...you ever consider that might be why this is the only reputable Pacers board on the net? Nobody wants to step into a rah-rah fest that lives outside of reality.Don't attack posters because they aren't negativity addicts. This is the only reputable Pacers board on the net. We don't have enough homers here.
....that isn't balancing anything out. It's making it worse.We have way to many pessimists and doubters. If this is the only way I can help to balance that then so be it. I'll take the most extreme stand and stand alone.
....all of which have nothign to do with everything that preceded it.Talent isn't everything. Chemisty, cohesion, and team play all define a team. Not just this notion that we have to become more talented with big moves that could backfire and tie our hands for years to come this offseason.
pessimistic? I guess all the posters in this thread are pessimistic also and they are all mocking you also? Why people take stuff personal i will never know it is pretty sad that you do. Im just being real. Saying the Pacers have a better Core than Clippers is so laughable. Most experts consider the Clippers young core 2nd only to OKC. I have never said EJ is better than any Pacer however the Clippers value EJ very very very higly that is why i say they are not trading him for the players on the Pacers. They refused to trade him for Melo who is better than anyone on the Pacers and Melo has more trade Value than anyone on the Pacers. It is how the Pacers viewed DG a few years ago when they made himn untradeable. Im sorry i am not a homer in the way most on PD are and if you are gonna attack me for not being a homer just keep bashing.
What no get off my lawn? Seriously get off your high horse. Pessimistic? The poor kids been riding Paul George's jock since we drafted him. I'd say he's had a healthy mix of pessimism and optimism.
And you wanna talk about a post that brings down the quality of discussion on PD we might as well just frame this one as the prime example.
Last edited by Trader Joe; 04-07-2011 at 04:13 PM.
Whatever this dude is smoking has got to be awesome.
I don't think this was really Bird's true goal.
Yeah it was to make the playoffs, but I didn't think he wanted to do it with us a still being a sub .500 team.
This team still needs a lot of work and bring in some key players via trade or free agency.
He'd be the best player here since Reggie.
I'd love to add EJ. He'd make us a hell of a playoff team for years.
He plays like a star SG.
I'd live with not settling and signing anyone this offseason and make a strong push to get EJ in 2012 most likely by S&T.
Last edited by Trophy; 04-07-2011 at 04:19 PM.
Are you absolutely certain you would want Bird to stay?
I'm asking because Bird is the highest ranking member of the TPTB and he has stated throughout the year that this team is lacking a veteran presence.
So, Bird's goal is not to build THROUGH the development of young players, but rather because of the increase in value of his tradeable assets by developing these young players.
If Bird is not able to trade for a starting veteran or two this summer, or sign a couple as free agents, it will NOT be because of a lack of trying. If you continue to believe otherwise, it is only because you have not been listening and reading.