Last edited by croz24; 04-07-2011 at 01:52 AM.
All I want to say it Vogel took took this team when it was 10 games below .500, locker room tribulations, growing pains, immaturity from players and still managed to pound out some great wins and convinced the the NBA Gods to let the 8th seed not take 40+ wins to clinch. He salvaged our imminent 4th straight season and pounded out something WORTH while. I honestly believe he deserves to come back next season in the big boy pants.
Now before people start hating on anything I listed, this is just my opinion on the matter of giving him a CHANCE. We'll see how he does in the playoffs against the Rose Bulls.
Last edited by Constellations; 04-07-2011 at 03:19 AM.
Mike Brown is a young enthusiastic head coach - he just turned 41 years old.
Vogel is 37 and will turn 38 in June - So Mike Brown is 3 years older.
There might be some good reasons to choose Vogel over Brown, but wanting a younger coach is not one of them.
Last edited by Unclebuck; 04-07-2011 at 08:24 AM.
The only reason you hire Vogel is if guys like Mike Brown or Jeff Van Gundy aren't interested.
"I had to take her down like Chris Brown."
Wells was on one of the talk radio shows 2 days ago and talked about choosing a coach. Something I hadn't considered is this.
Phil Jackson is retiring, Houston needs a coach. Who knows what other openings there might be. It's no slam dunk that Mike Brown will be available for the Pacers. If he is available to the Pacers, it might be awhile before these other teams have made their choice, which could delay the process for the Pacers.
Just something to think about that I had not really considered.
I'm not convinced that Jackson is retiring, but if he does, I would be shocked if the lakers go outside their organization to hire a coach - Brian Shaw is most likely to replace him. Unless for some reason they decide they need a new approach.
Rockets, who knows what they will do - so Mike Brown is a possibility there. The Rockets are better than the pacers, but Mike knows the pacers organization, so who knows what he would do if both go after him.
Rockets aren't even in the playoffs. So they could go after Mike brown a week from today.
Last edited by Unclebuck; 04-07-2011 at 10:31 AM.
I said no. Achieving backing into the playoffs by being the best of the worst with an under .500 record doesn't mean Vogel should automatically get the job as head coach. What if Jimmy had done the same, would you be in favor of him being the HC next year too?
I FIRMLY believe Vogel should get the 1st interview and consideration for how this team has played while coaching it. I like Vogel, but it's not a gimme b/c the Pacers backed into the playoffs with an under .500 record. That doesn't make him an automatic HC for the Pacers. Sliding into the playoffs shouldn't be the criteria to make Vogel HC.
It wouldn't surprise me if some really good coaches do want to come here.
We haven't got the most talent, but we're going in a very good direction. And we're very young and teachable. No Prima Donnas here. Something like that probably does sound good to someone like Wells..who is probably done with the spoiled NBA player.
I at least want to keep coach Frank for another season. Let's see what he can do with some time to prepare and a training camp. He won't cost much and they can just give him a one year contract. If it goes bad they can always get a different coach afterward.
I want Vogel to return next year. He represents the team well and did a good job considering the system wasn't his to begin with. I dont want another retread coach. I like what we have. Give him the chance!
Mike Brown's age, or anyone's age (except J. Sloan), does not disqualify them, or qualify them, in my mind. Mike Brown's frustrating tenure at Cleveland does disqualify him, to me.
Vogel's youth really was not what I was getting at as a hiring factor. Perhaps I didn't say it well. His potential, combined with a good start, is what I'd focus on. I think the team and the coach can grow together.
[~]) ... Cheers! Go Pacers!
I judge a coach most by the team defense he is able to get his team to play and I would give Mike Brown an A+ in this one area that I think the coach has the most influence.
I want Frank Vogel as the coach of the Indiana Pacers. I understand why people do not, but I want this coach and this very young core group of guys to grow/learn/play together for years to come. I really think we are at our infancy right now and we are only going to get better the longer these guys play together. Yes, that's a very sunshiner approach, but that's my opinion.
I mostly feel the same. But this team is playing JOB's defense not Vogel's. When he meets with Bird or whoever, he will have the opportunity to sell his defensive plan. I would like to know what it is first.
As far as Brown goes, didnt he have Lebron James and 4 defensive players on that team? I believe the team was built around defense first and then Lebron doing whatever he wanted on offense.