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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

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B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

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  • #16
    Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

    Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
    do you want to bet.

    There will be a significant number of Bulls fans.

    Trust me casual Pacers fans aren't too impressed by the playoff berth

    If the pacers were playing the hawks in the first round I would expect around 13,000 to 14,000 at the games. The Bulls fans will make ita sellout - so that means 4000 Bulls fans
    I bet even more Bulls fans show much cheaper than a playoff game in the UC.

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    • #17
      Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

      Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
      I bet even more Bulls fans show much cheaper than a playoff game in the UC.

      I won't bet against you. I hope there are only 3,000 - 4,000 Bulls fans.

      Pacers are aware of the situation that is why tickets for those who live outsie Indiana don't go on sale until Sunday

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      • #18
        Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

        Originally posted by cdash View Post
        They are on sale now.

        Not if you live outside of Indiana

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        • #19
          Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

          sure hope not. not much structure or much of an offensive or defensive philosophy to vogel other than telling the players to just go out and play. not exactly what i desire in a head coach.

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          • #20
            Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

            I hate to mix metaphors by making analogies across sports lines... but I am a huge Reds fan and a huge Pacers fans. Similarities and comparisons are inevitable. Bear with me on this... it eventually gets to the point of the post.

            On the night the Pacers clinch the playoff berth the Reds start the season 5-0. And this from a team that until scooting into the playoffs last season, had gone 15 years without a postseason.

            The Reds have turned it around for 3 reasons - development of young talent that you can build a franchise around, bringing in the right mix of veterans to surround the young talent, and a veteran manager.

            It's a blueprint for success in any sport. So compare that to the Pacers situation:

            Development of young talent: CHECK

            Bringing in the right mix of veterans to surround the young talent: TBD
            Despite Foster and Posey and Jones, this team lacks the right amount and the right kinds of veterans... such as a veteran backup point guard, and one or two of those savvy vets who bring an intangible that come crunch time it makes a difference - for me that is the type of player that this franchise has added in the past -- a Haywoode Workman, Byron Scott, Sam Mitchell, Sam Perkins, Chris Mullin -- that helps the team make the gigantic next step.

            Veteran Coach: TBD
            I really really like Coach Vogel. So much that typing this is tough for me. But I think to take the next step, this team needs a Jerry Sloan-ish veteran, not an upstart coach. If the team had a better balance of youth and vets, maybe Coach Vogel would be fine. But I just don't think he is the right guy right now.

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            • #21
              Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

              The Pacers are 19-16 since they hired Frank Vogel.

              And if everyone on this board was accurate in how they described the players during losses, Frank did that with an entire roster of crappy players..and Hans and George. :P

              on a serious note, I don't think he's earned the job. I think he's earned the first interview though.

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              • #22
                Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                I won't bet against you. I hope there are only 3,000 - 4,000 Bulls fans.

                Pacers are aware of the situation that is why tickets for those who live outsie Indiana don't go on sale until Sunday
                It also depends on the day If it will be a weekend game there will be tons and if it is a week day game some will still will show. Chicago has very good traveling fans. Plus there is so much hype around that team in chicago because how they have played this year.

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                • #23
                  Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

                  Originally posted by croz24 View Post
                  sure hope not. not much structure or much of an offensive or defensive philosophy to vogel other than telling the players to just go out and play. not exactly what i desire in a head coach.
                  My thoughts exactly. I've been clinging to the thought of Jerry Sloan coming in but maybe im being too much of a homer.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

                    If he wins the series against Chicago, I'd put him at 80% for coming back as head coach.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

                      Well, the rate the team's won at extrapolates to 45-ish wins over the course of an entire season. Assuming some development in the roster and a summer to implement his own staff, I don't see why 50 wins would be a reach. But that would be assuming he could keep the team winning at this rate.

                      I realize there's not much of a "system" in place, but if I had to choose between the old regime of having such a system that players have to be played out of position and have to play to their weaknesses, or the "get out and play with heart" ball that Vogel seems to prefer, I choose the latter.

                      Of course, this doesn't mean there aren't better candidate and that systems are bad. The right coach is the right coach. However, I think Vogel deserves the first (but not last) interview as more than just just a friendly gesture.


                      Originally posted by maragin View Post
                      If he wins the series against Chicago, I'd put him at 80% for coming back as head coach.
                      If he wins a first round series coaching an 8th seed that he's only been leading for 70-ish days against a 1 seed that happens to have the presumed MVP on it as well as an outstanding head coach, and is also a division rival, I'd put him at 1,000% for coming back as head coach.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

                        Man, I am super excited about the Pacers being back in the playoffs!! I am really hoping to be able to get to tickets for the playoffs...does anyone know when and where is the best place to get the tickets? I will be coming from Chicago, and I can't wait to make the drive. I am off on 4/14-4/17...I hope that at least one Pacers home game is during that time period in Indy.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

                          Originally posted by maragin View Post
                          If he wins the series against Chicago, I'd put him at 80% for coming back as head coach.
                          "If"
                          Thats like saying i will sleep with Megan Fox next week.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

                            no. i think the pacers want an experienced coach. the problem with player/practice issues needed larry bird to solve. i just don't see the pacers keeping vogel. this will make a nice line on his resume, but he just doesn't seem ready.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

                              Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                              on a serious note, I don't think he's earned the job. I think he's earned the first interview though.
                              I agree. To me, he's earned the right to be taken seriously as a candidate for the full time gig. If he wins a playoff series, then he will have the interim tag stripped away. Needless to say, I don't see that happening.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

                                Originally posted by samiuam View Post
                                Man, I am super excited about the Pacers being back in the playoffs!! I am really hoping to be able to get to tickets for the playoffs...does anyone know when and where is the best place to get the tickets? I will be coming from Chicago, and I can't wait to make the drive. I am off on 4/14-4/17...I hope that at least one Pacers home game is during that time period in Indy.
                                I've gotten some amazing prices from the scalpers this year, and I'd recommend the same thing if our opponent in the series wasn't a 3 hour drive away with plenty of transplant fans living in the city. My money's on the games selling out, or at least selling well enough that good seats are a pain to find on the secondary market. Get them from the box office if you can. If you've got the testicular fortitude to show up to the game and try to find a deal from scalpers, at least check Craiglist a day or so before. Someone always ends up being unable to attend at the last minute, though for a playoff game that may not hold true.

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