Am I the only one who isn't picking sides here? I love Paul George, but I want to root for Hayward to succeed as well. It's not an either/or thing for me. I want both of them to thrive.
It'd be that way for me if bhaas and graphic-er didn't make me want to dislike him..
You can't get champagne from a garden hose.
All I have to say is LOLZ.
Here's something Paul George can say that Hayward can't...his team made the playoffs.
Last year Gordon Hayward's team was a playoff team, this year it isn't.
Last year Paul George's team wasn't a playoff team, this year it is.
Paul George has had a better rookie season than Hayward in every sense. Period.
Last edited by Trader Joe; 04-06-2011 at 11:56 PM.
Also mono, surely you have to take into account that gordons improved minutes have largely coincided with the massive nosedive the jazz have taken.
Since the all-star break or so they have been a far worse team than the pacers, the jazz if I recall correctly started like 27-13 and are giong to end up with a sub .500 record.
Of course gordon isn't to blame for the teams woes, but you also can't trumpet the fact that the jazz are a better team than the pacers as a plus to hayward, when hayward has largely emerged post-jazz breakdown.
Not to mention Paul has seen an increase in minutes ever since Vogel has been hired and we are 3 games over .500 in that timeperiod. If we win out (not a Redick-ulous thought), we'd be 22-16 under Vogel. Paul has slumped recently, this game not with standing, but he and his team have out achieved the Jazz since the end of January quite easily.
Of course the Pacers are the better team right now. After all, Utah did trade away a top 5 NBA player for potential, lost their hall of fame coach, are finishing the season with four injured starters, etc. But I just figured if you were going to take such an obnoxious attitude about the Pacers supposed superiority, I may as well point out the obvious: it is silly to gloat about the Pacers being in the playoffs when the team you're comparing them to has a better record.
To further point out the obvious, Paul George is not solely responsible for the Pacers being in the playoffs, nor is Gordon Hayward responsible for the Jazz not being in the playoffs. The fact that one team is in the playoffs* while the other is not is totally irrelevant to which player is better.
I said earlier I thought both players were about equal, and I explained why. Then again -- I've actually seen more than 42 games from each team this season, so I know what I'm talking about. I sincerely doubt you can make the same claim. If you had anything more to offer than a say-so, I might take you seriously.
(*note: I am thrilled the Pacers are in the playoffs, and I am a fan of Paul George and I know he is going to have a lot of success in the NBA.)
Such an obnoxious superiority?
I was merely replying in the same obnoxious tone that spawned this thread. One good game from Hayward and we have some running to a PACERS board to preen about him? Give me a break.
Bhaas and everyone else slurping the Hayward kool aid should have known the obnoxious posts were going to come.
Especially when posts like this
Were used as some sort of evidence that Hayward is the clearly superior player...Well Paul has hit for 23 so clearly the debate is settled. He is better. Lock the thread.
Also, I love the "I've watched the X number of games argument, can you make the same claim? I don't think so." argument especially when accusing me of having an obnoxious superiority.
Could very well be (that they're both good player), but the point of this thread IMO ,guised as it may have been, was to troll. So they're getting it right back now that Paul has hit for 23 and Hayward has only hit for 22 the debate has clearly been settled since that was the benchmark established by bhaas himself earlier in the thread.
My main point (and this isn't directed at you Mono) is that any Pacers fan who is going to come here and point out every time Hayward has had a good game (and they have done that) shouldn't be surprised when something like this comes flying right back at them.
I don't understand why we need the constant Gordon Hayward updates. As an IU fan, you don't see me posting every time Eric Gordon has a good game. I don't see Purdue fans posting every time Carl Landry has a good game, but every time Gordon Hayward has even an OK game we get a thread about it or repeated comments about it. It's weird.
I... Of course. Look, I'll try to make this clear: I am not complaining that the Pacers are in the playoffs. I'm thrilled that they are. I am not saying the Jazz are a better team. I know they aren't.
I was pointing out the hollowness of your original post. Keep this in mind: it's fantastic to celebrate your own accomplishments. It's lousy to put other people down. You don't have to run down the Jazz because you love the Pacers, or Gordon Hayward because you love Paul George. It's not necessary.
Was this thread not created to run down the Pacers/Paul George and lift up Gordon Hayward? If it wasn't, it's hard for me to fathom it's purpose. It is, after all, a Pacers/NBA forum, but we don't get updates from Bhaas or graphic-er when any other rookie has a good game, only when Hayward has a good game.