You can't get champagne from a garden hose.
I look forward to having this discussion, again, when Matt Howard is picked one pick before the Pacers in the 2nd round this year.
I stand corrected.
I went back and looked at attendance for every home Friday night game. The only 3 Friday night games that got a higher number were the two Bulls games the the OKC game the day after Thanksgiving.
Although I do wonder if that was a Marsh Family night which draw pretty well, plus the end of February is going to draw well as it is before the college and HS turnaments and the weather is not as cold.
In early January the pacers played the Rockets at home and got 14440 for a Friday night game. That is pretty much the average for Friday night games for the season. So OK I'll go so far as to say 1800-2000 people came to the Utah game just because of Hayward.
Although I would have been really impressed if that many people showed up On January 31st - the first night of the ice storm.
Last edited by Unclebuck; 04-06-2011 at 10:59 AM.
because Gordon is emerging as a player. scoring 22 against the defending champs as a rookie is impressive. /QUOTE]
BRush looked good the last 15 games or so of his 1st 2 seasons, so I wouldn't put much stock in a few good games at seasons end unless you think Hayward's end quality is that of Rush.
it isn't just "one game" in which Gordon has done well. If you check his game log, when he gets minutes he tends to produce. he actually has fantasy value right now.
My only question marks about Hayward were his outside shooting and his lateral quickness. His outside shot has been improving and he is a better athlete than I thought he was. I am happy he is doing well and agree that Paul George is overvalued by certain members on this board.
Hayward was drafted 9th overall and the Pacers had the 10th pick. It would be great to see Gordon Hayward and Matt Howard going head 2 head in the Rookie/Soph game next season. But Good Things are worth wating for.
I think people overestimate the power of a local player to drive huge increases in attendance.
At an extreme you are probably talking an increase due to that player of 500 per game. While not a spit in the bucket, that won't single-handedly save the franchise.
And suppose the local player turns out to be a bust? You wasted the pick AND you can't play him so the attendance doesn't show up. Or, do you give starter's minutes to a crappy player just because he's local?
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...
Still think Paul George will be better in the long run, but Hayward will be a solid pro. However, I am very fond of Utah's big men. Favors, Millsap and Jefferson is very impressive. If we could nab one of them that would be awesome
This happens when the Pacers are less than contenders. People start calling for local guys. Back when Larry Brown's team was in decline before Bird took over, I remember reading letters in the Star saying we should have drafted Calbert Chaney and Greg Graham.
People who demand local guys annoy me. It betrays a very narrow view of basketball and suggests Indiana fans will only root for a certain type of player.
Again, I like Hayward, he's from my hometown of Brownsburg. But I don't buy him as better than George right now, forget down the road.
Last edited by Ransom; 04-06-2011 at 11:33 AM.
You can't get champagne from a garden hose.
Keep in mind Utah is playing for nothing so the pressure on Hayward is most likely minimal. On the other hand, the Pacers are fighting for their playoff lives so the pressure on George is most likely just the opposite.
theres a real goofy picture of him on the front page of NBA .com right now...
its like "hey mom, i had this dream last night that I was in the NBA and dunked on the lakers, and kobe and d-fish and andrew bynum couldnt stop me and were just watching me in awe!"
^aha! we should check if graphic-er posts during Jazz games!!!
(just bustin your balls)
(Side note: is it just me, or does the 50 Cent GIF look different? IDK, it looks faster/more fluid/higher quality. Or maybe I'm just losing it?)
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I hate that I can't just enjoy Indiana boys having success. That I have to admit some deep seeded doubt that I've been proven wrong on. Can't I wonder if a guy is good enough, but then also root for him to be really good?
How much has hometown McBob done with selling of tickets? I'm sure he has hometown fans that come to games to see him play, but does it really impact the amount of tickets sold? My guess you could have a roster full of hometown or Indiana players, and it wouldn't impact ticket sales that much. Winning plays more importance in selling tickets than Hayward and McBob would.
Josh didn't go to college in Indiana, and that has a huge impact on whether or not people follow them.
I'm not saying that Gordon would bring a lot of people in, I think it would be a small bump, but there is a huge difference between Josh and Gordon.
no, I still prefer Paul George
edit: its not like it really matters anyways. we didn't have a shot at haywood as he was drafted before our pick.
Last edited by BornReady; 04-06-2011 at 01:28 PM. Reason: more things to say!
graphic-er, I respect your opinion ( even if it is clearly biased ) and agree that Hayward can be a solid NBA Player in the future.....while I myself don't see the "all-star" potential of PG that most here see ( many of which are biased themselves when it comes to PG ).....I fail to see how you can come to the conclusion that Hayward is "heads and shoulders" above George right now.
What has Hayward done that has put him "heads and shoulders" over PG?
IMHO...there is not enough data to say that one Player is "heads and shoulders" above the other right now. In the best case scenario....I can possibly see that the both of them are on equal footing....but neither is "so much better than the other" that one can suggest what you are suggesting.
I agree that PG has likely hit the rookie wall.....but if you look at the number of minutes that PG has played since January compared to Hayward since the start of February ( roughly the same time that JO'B and Sloan left the Team ). Although both Players have played roughly the same amount of Total minutes throughout the season ( Hayward with 1073 total minutes and PG with 1178 total minutes ), PG has logged more minutes since the beginning of February ( 774 minutes ) then Hayward has ( 595 minutes ). Frankly, I can see why PG hit the Rookie Wall at this point in the season.
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