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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Paul George's trade value: Should we trade for a legit asset now?

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  • #76
    Re: Paul George's trade value: Should we trade for a legit asset now?

    Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post
    I don't understand why people think Paul George has the potential to be a Superstar. I don't think he'll ever be named to an All-Star game.

    I can't look at a guy that averages 7 points a game as a starter and only plays 20 minutes a night becoming a superstar. Superstars don't come out of no where. They are usually great from their first season. He's nothing like a Kobe/Wade/Melo/Durant superstar player who during their rookie season in the NBA were remarkable players. Although Kobe could be looked at this way, Kobe came straight from High School and was the Naismith High School Player of the Year, Gatorade Men's National Basketball Player of the Year, a McDonald's All-American, and a USA Today All-USA First Team player.


    That doesn't mean that I don't like him or don't think he could become a valuable starter in a couple of years. I just think he is closer to being a Trevor Ariza type player than he is to being the best player on a good team.
    Because he has great size, athletisim, pretty form on his jump shot, and can defend, in spurts, at an incredible level. Not to mention a lot of those players were not near as raw as George coming out of college. I didn't expect him to even play much this year.

    The reason I think he can be a top player is because of his insane body control. He is absurdly smooth in his motions which took me by surprise when I first saw him. When you consider that he has only been playing the wing position for 3 years now his smoothness is even more impressive.

    He was playing incredibly well when he was the man to score off the bench. I really hate that he's stuck with the starters because none of them, besides Roy, are good passers. I think he could put up 10-15 a game if he was given more chances to score and stopped shooting spot up threes so much.

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    • #77
      Re: Paul George's trade value: Should we trade for a legit asset now?

      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
      Maybe he's like McGrady?
      It's possible. Still TMac was a McDonald's All-American and ranked number 1 by USA Today coming out of High School. He was expected to be great because he was great in High School.

      Paul George is sort of a late bloomer. He didn't play AAU basketball and he was unheralded coming out of High School. With that said, that could be something in his favor considering he's able to do what he's doing without as much organized basketball training. I definitely think he'll get better but not All-Star level good. Maybe one notch below. I see Trevor Ariza when I see him play.

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      • #78
        Re: Paul George's trade value: Should we trade for a legit asset now?

        Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post
        I see Trevor Ariza when I see him play.

        His jumpshot, especially midrange, is already better. Plus he has pretty good ability to not only create a jumpshot for himself, but get to the basket.

        Right now he has to rely on those awkward layups, but when the game slows down he'll get short little bunnies under control, or he'll be getting big time dunks.

        Defensively I definitely see the comparison though.
        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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        • #79
          Re: Paul George's trade value: Should we trade for a legit asset now?

          I'm not worried about Paul.

          He plays like a rookie and some of his issues are common for most rookies which can be improved.

          He's still pretty raw with handling the ball and he's not shooting at a high percentage like in college which will take a little while to adjust.

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          • #80
            Re: Paul George's trade value: Should we trade for a legit asset now?

            Originally posted by troyc11a View Post
            Who are we to believe NBA GM's or you? The people who get paid millions of dollars overwhelmingly would take a quality pg over a quality sg. Not even an argument. Since 2000 16 pg's taken in top 5. Only 7 sg's. So this pg obsession is not a fallacy, it is a fact.
            You are only using 10 years of NBA draft history to support your opinion as fact. There have been some very good point guards in the league over this time, doesn't it also make sense that those GM's were drafting more point guards in an attempt to find one that can compete with them. Out of all these point guards drafted how many of them are elite?

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            • #81
              Re: Paul George's trade value: Should we trade for a legit asset now?

              Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post
              It's possible. Still TMac was a McDonald's All-American and ranked number 1 by USA Today coming out of High School. He was expected to be great because he was great in High School.

              Paul George is sort of a late bloomer. He didn't play AAU basketball and he was unheralded coming out of High School. With that said, that could be something in his favor considering he's able to do what he's doing without as much organized basketball training. I definitely think he'll get better but not All-Star level good. Maybe one notch below. I see Trevor Ariza when I see him play.
              Paul is a better passer then Ariza already. I can see what you're saying defensively, though.

              I really think one thing that Paul doesn't get enough credit for is his passing. It seems like most of the time he's looking to pass rather than shoot (almost to a fault) and he's had some great passes lately.

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              • #82
                Re: Paul George's trade value: Should we trade for a legit asset now?

                I've been saying Paul is more like McGrady than any other player I've seen. The fluidity to his game is remarkable, especially for a rookie. He has better body control, by far, than anyone else on the team. His decision making is pretty damn good for a rookie. He will make rookie mistakes, but that is too be expected. Its things that I can see him fix easily.

                One thing that I see and love from Paul is in a situation like this: So many times a young player will receive a long pass and end up under the basket with a trailing defender coming for a LeBron type block. Very often the shot gets blocked, no foul and just a waste of an opportunity. A lot of guys in the NBA do this. Paul is GREAT at anticipating this. He doesn't rush it to miss the easy shot or get it blocked. He waits for the defender to get in a bad position, making the shot easier and often draws a foul.

                It's such a small thing, but to me it shows that he really has a good understanding of the flow of the game. I think overall he has some great anticipation and you see him just burst through the hole like its easy. When he drives its not like a typical attack the basket I see often. Its just so smooth. It's McGrady like when he does it.

                To me I just see a very special player in Paul George. I don't see that fluidity in Ariza's game. I don't see it in many average player's games. I see it in Kobe's, Vince Carter's, McGrady's and so on. That's what really impresses me the most about Paul George. His outside shot is going to start falling sooner than later. Then it will be Paul's world and we will all just be living in it.

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                • #83
                  Re: Paul George's trade value: Should we trade for a legit asset now?

                  Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                  OK, but then trade him when he is "maybe as good as Danny" not now. Unless there is a team out there who is convinced he will be a superstar - but I doubt there are any of those teams.
                  I agree, I was just mentioning that because many people here expect so much from him, I compare him to Rush, he haven't been able to meet their expectations and now they want to trade and cut the guy, again my expectations for him are high but if he becomes as good as Ariza I wouldn't be as mad as many here.
                  @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                  • #84
                    Re: Paul George's trade value: Should we trade for a legit asset now?

                    I think that Paul George is already better than Trevor Ariza.

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                    • #85
                      Re: Paul George's trade value: Should we trade for a legit asset now?

                      Paul showed tonight why we all think he is our future franchise player. We have to remember he is still just a rookie and he will have his ups and downs. Given experience, he is only going to become better and more consistent. Seems like he has a better work ethic and drive to be great than Danny too
                      Murph

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                      • #86
                        Re: Paul George's trade value: Should we trade for a legit asset now?

                        paul could be a bust. anything is possible. but he looks like a guy that will only get better. he has a nice handle, a little loose, but that would seem to be fixable. he gets to the rim easily, but has trouble finishing. that also seems fixable by getting used to the NBA game. his 3 pt shot from up top is iffy, but he shoots ok inside the line. that would seem to be something else that will fix itself by getting used to NBA 3 pt line. he doesn't use his height well, but as he gets bigger and stronger, that should add itself to his game. he is a little passive, that could be problematical. or not. things like a weak off hand will get fixed in time.

                        there is no great hole in his game. he runs, rebounds, blocks shots, passes, seems to see the court pretty well. everything points to being a pretty good player. i agree with PP33, paul looks like a future franchise player. getting rid of him for anyone outside of guys named dwight or lebron would seem to be a stupid thing to do.

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                        • #87
                          Re: Paul George's trade value: Should we trade for a legit asset now?

                          Paul George's trade value?



                          (More than Gordan Hayward)
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                          • #88
                            Re: Paul George's trade value: Should we trade for a legit asset now?

                            Originally posted by crazylikeafox View Post
                            You are only using 10 years of NBA draft history to support your opinion as fact. There have been some very good point guards in the league over this time, doesn't it also make sense that those GM's were drafting more point guards in an attempt to find one that can compete with them. Out of all these point guards drafted how many of them are elite?
                            Not only that but one could argue that your sample only includes the worst GMs in the league.
                            Last edited by Blink; 04-07-2011, 04:13 PM.

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