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Pacers/Detroit postgame thread

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  • #31
    Re: Pacers/Detroit postgame thread

    Good game, sloppy at the end, but a W is a W.

    I really get tired of the Dunleavy hate, though. It's obvious he helps this team more than he hurts it. You ever see Rush with those kinds of passes? (No knock on Rush, just pointing out Dun is a plus for the team)

    Hopefully big Roy is alright with that bruised knee. Have to keep winning like Sheen. Bucks and Bobcats both get W's tonight as well.
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    • #32
      Re: Pacers/Detroit postgame thread

      I'm glad we took care of business for a change.

      I'll chime in about Josh's great game and how DC looked like early season DC tonight.

      Tyler had a Roy-like assist early in the game tonight. Baby steps.

      Paul obviously seemed to pick it up a bit tonight, but he really needs to think like a killer when he attacks the basket. He should be able to dunk on folks.

      Mike was a noticeable addition tonight. He really does help with knowing where to be, when to be there, and what to do at any given moment. Is he perfect at it? No, but that was never the point. He makes a positive difference.

      Speaking of Mike, a like him a LOT better as a backup 3 instead of a starting 2. Much, much more preferable situation. If the idea moving forward is to keep him as Danny's backup, I'd welcome re-signng him. Just please no more starting and no more time at the 2.

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      • #33
        Re: Pacers/Detroit postgame thread

        Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
        Really wish the Bobcats would have lost tonight. Friday is super important! We play the Bucks, and the Bobcats play at Orlando.

        A win puts us up 4 on the Bucks with 5 to play and we have the tiebreaker. A win and loss by the Bobcats puts us up 2 on them with 5 to play and a tiebreaker over them as well.

        A loss and Bucks are only down 2 with the tiebreaker over us. Bobcats win and we're tied... with tiebreaker, loss and Bobcats loss and still up a game.


        nail biting
        Teams are never actually tied in the standings unless they have the exact same record. (I.E., having played the same amount of games) The games behind column isn't what you look at at this time of year, the lost column is. If Charlotte wins and we lose we will at that point have one more loss than Charlotte with four to play.

        Record if we lose and Charlotte and Milwaukee both win Friday.
        TEAM...........RECORD...GB
        Charlotte......33-42......--.....with 7 to play
        Indiana.........34-43.....--......with 5 to play.
        Milwaukee.....31-44.....2.......with 7 to play


        If the above happens then we will have put ourselves in the position of someone else having to beat Charlotte for us. If they win those extra two games, that puts us a game behind them, and if it stays that way . . . we're in the lottery.

        The tiebeaker is only good if we have the same record.
        Last edited by Will Galen; 03-31-2011, 01:47 AM.

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        • #34
          Re: Pacers/Detroit postgame thread

          Great game. I will say it for everyone, I was WRONG. I think Mike should remain in the 2nd unit. Him and Jeff's chemistry is solid and moves the offense beautifully which is exactly what the 2nd unit needed. <3 you Mike.
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          • #35
            Re: Pacers/Detroit postgame thread

            Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post

            Win vs Chicago 20/8/0 with 2 blocks and 1 assist on 8 of 11 and all anyone noticed was him getting dunked on, which was not too bad IMO since he actually challenged the shot rather than hiding like a punk.
            The Pacers lost that game...unless the win is because it was the last game coached by he who should not be named.








            So I agree. Good Win.

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            • #36
              Re: Pacers/Detroit postgame thread

              Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
              The problem is we will at that point have one more loss than Charlotte. Then we will have put ourselves in the position of someone else having to beat Charlotte for us. If it doesn't happen . . . we're in the lottery.

              When you are under .500, wins are more statistically significant than losses, and we have more wins than Charlotte. It is true that if they go undefeated, they will pass us, but that doesn't worry me. We have a sample of 75 games to tell us that Charlotte tends to lose more than they win.

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              • #37
                Re: Pacers/Detroit postgame thread

                Originally posted by binarysolo View Post
                When you are under .500, wins are more statistically significant than losses, and we have more wins than Charlotte. It is true that if they go undefeated, they will pass us, but that doesn't worry me. We have a sample of 75 games to tell us that Charlotte tends to lose more than they win.
                Those 75 games? Were they all played with the knowledge that the season is on the line?

                And Charlotte doesn't have to go undefeated to pass us. If they win Friday and we lose, after that all they have to do is win the extra two games to pass us. After that all they have to do is match whatever we do.

                The point I've been striving to make is we don't want to fall behind in the loss column. Then we need help!

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                • #38
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                  Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                  You run him out for 20-30 minutes and you are going to be glad you did most nights.
                  I like McRoberts' game and I'm also a little puzzled that he seems to be more underrated and underappreciated then I'd expect. If anything, I'd expect a player like him to be a fan favorite all the way around.... a mixture of the hometown boy does good along with the tag of 'potential'.

                  Riddle me this, why was Jonathon Bender raved about so much for being half the actual player McRoberts actually is?
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                  • #39
                    Re: Pacers/Detroit postgame thread

                    Originally posted by Bball View Post
                    Riddle me this, why was Jonathon Bender raved about so much for being half the actual player McRoberts actually is?
                    Draft position and injury excuses, I'd guess.

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                    • #40
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                      Originally posted by Bball View Post
                      Riddle me this, why was Jonathon Bender raved about so much for being half the actual player McRoberts actually is?
                      I think that saying Bender was 1/2 the player Josh is gives Bender significantly too much credit. But then, you already knew that since we were on the same side of the fence with regards to the Bender debate.

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                      • #41
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                        Originally posted by Bball View Post
                        Riddle me this, why was Jonathon Bender raved about so much for being half the actual player McRoberts actually is?
                        Because Bender was 7'0 and took over games in the five minutes he was ever healthy per season. All things equal in health (i.e., if McBob and Bender were both healthy and Bender didn't have the knee defect), Bender would have had the better career. I'd say much better.

                        But, of course, he didn't. Never had the knees. So McBob did.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by thatch3232 View Post
                          Hey guys, just a cool experience from the game tonight. My choir (Liberty Christian School HS Choir) sang the national anthem for the game tonight, and while we were lined up on the court the players were still warming up. So i jokingly asked AJ Price to toss me the ball so I could shoot a three, and he really threw it to me! Haha so i took a quick dribble, and shot a three... and drained it! haha nothin but net. So all the players were screamin and givin me high fives, and throughout the game AJ would talk to me and when he hit a three we pointed at each other haha.

                          Just wanted to share this with you guys. Pretty neat experience for a crazzzy big Pacer fan like me!

                          Go Pacers!
                          Haha, this was a great story. You guys had a unique dissonant arrangement to change it up for once. Nice job and funny stuff.

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                          • #43
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                            Good game by us sans the last 8 mins. Glad Dun Dun is in the 2nd unit and I figured it was going to be at DJ expense (so did many other here).

                            O.T.
                            I don't think we S&T McBob if we trade for Mayo, I honestly believe that Josh was just cap relief/Expiring for them and if there is a trade it would be for draft picks because we can just absorb salary. Sorry for the run-on sentence.
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                            • #44
                              Re: Pacers/Detroit postgame thread

                              Originally posted by thatch3232 View Post
                              Hey guys, just a cool experience from the game tonight. My choir (Liberty Christian School HS Choir) sang the national anthem for the game tonight, and while we were lined up on the court the players were still warming up. So i jokingly asked AJ Price to toss me the ball so I could shoot a three, and he really threw it to me! Haha so i took a quick dribble, and shot a three... and drained it! haha nothin but net. So all the players were screamin and givin me high fives, and throughout the game AJ would talk to me and when he hit a three we pointed at each other haha.

                              Just wanted to share this with you guys. Pretty neat experience for a crazzzy big Pacer fan like me!

                              Go Pacers!
                              Another assist for AJ. Sookie will be proud!

                              Great story!
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                              • #45
                                Re: Pacers/Detroit postgame thread

                                Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                                My problem with this is that it tells me quite a bit why people underrate Josh. Short term memory.

                                How about 14/12/2 with 2 blocks and 1 steal on 7-15 shooting vs the Wiz.

                                Oh, about how about the irrelevent game vs the Lakers
                                15/4/1 with 2 steals on 7 of 12 shooting

                                18/12/1 with a block and 2 steals on 8 of 9 vs Houston


                                I've got him at 8 five assist games this year, with a 6 and a 7 night in that list.

                                The Boston game a few weeks ago he was 14/11/3 with 1 block on 6 of 10

                                Win vs Chicago 20/8/0 with 2 blocks and 1 assist on 8 of 11 and all anyone noticed was him getting dunked on, which was not too bad IMO since he actually challenged the shot rather than hiding like a punk.

                                12/9/7 vs Charlotte gets him in range of a triple double.

                                He was 15/12/3 with 2 steals on 7 of 8 @ DETROIT in mid FEB. So the same kind of night against the same team.


                                But tonight he really showed something or maybe had his best game yet or a breakout game or whatever.

                                Sheesh. There is a reason I have a chip about this, it's getting old having people keep rediscovering the Josh is a pretty solid NBA player and capable of impacting games in a multitude of ways.

                                He doesn't have huge stats and doesn't typically walk away with double digit rebounds. But most nights you are at least going to get the assists or the rebounds or some points or a few blocks or steals. It's rare that he leaves the team empty.

                                You run him out for 20-30 minutes and you are going to be glad you did most nights.
                                Seth, I've been with you in regards to McBob and love all the little things that he does that no one really pays attention to. I am really glad that he played the way he did tonight.....he made a lot of smart plays, was very active and all over the place and most notably his rebounding was well above average. I am glad that Vogel has decided to have McBob handle the ball more as of late. But the one thing that really "grinds my gears" is that his rebounding rate isn't as high as it should be. What I can't figure out is why his rebounding is so inconsistent....I don't know if it's because of his opponents or if it's the way that he's used.

                                To me, the difference in tonight's game was his rebounding and what made him stand out. Unfortunately, his rebounding isn't like this all the time. If it was.....I'd guess that there'd be more people that are as big of a fan of McBob as you are.

                                Believe me, I LOVE all the things that he does that he does ( most notably his great passing )....but his inconsistent rebounding is the only knock on his game that I don't like.
                                Last edited by CableKC; 03-31-2011, 02:57 AM.
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