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    I know everybody loves Tyler, but he really doesn't offer us anything from a playmaking perspective, and that's currently the biggest hole in this team, and specifically in the starting lineup.
    Clearly you didn't see that back door pass Tyler threw for a lay-up last night. The pass was a hideous over the head bounce pass that Granger was lucky to catch. While the pass was brutal, and I don't know if he was credited with an assist or not, it was the first time I've seen Tyler seemingly anticipate a play versus solely reacting to it. That's a good sign and something that could potentially be built off of.
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    I'd hate to see him go. Especially if his ceiling is much higher. (He's still one of our youngest guys).

    Even in the last two or three games I've noticed him doing a better job scoring on the drive and in the post.
    The only way that I see him improving is if he ends up on a Team with a very good pass first PG that runs an offense that thrives on ball and Player movement.

    I don't think that his celiing is going to be that much higher....I think that we we see now is pretty much what we will get. This isn't a bad thing as I think that he does offer some solid skills that I think allow him to be a serviceable rotational PF where he's best suited to be a solid backup PF or an "as needed for emergencies" Starting PF. The problem is that we already have Hansbrough that coudl fit that role for us.
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    Blake Griffen has run the Clipper offense this year many times

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    Deleted wrong post.
    Anyway, it was this link.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZSuksGMJY8

    Also, Chris Webber, Gasol? Both could initiate and make amazing first pass. Not full time, but then again, neither is Josh.
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    Blake Griffen has run the Clipper offense this year many times
    I was waiting all day for this comment, I knew it

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    I was waiting all day for this comment, I knew it
    He has if you watch the games he has run point forward mutliple times

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    Rasho Nesterovic.



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    He has if you watch the games he has run point forward mutliple times
    I think you are confuse about what a point forward should do.

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    Blake Griffen has run the Clipper offense this year many times
    You know for someone who follows the Clippers so much it really kills me seeing you spell his name wrong, its Griffin. Sorry to say something, but I see so many people here do it and its been bugging me.

    As for Josh setting up the offense, its not really new. He's done it and so has Granger. WhiskeyJim and I were talking about this in the one game thread. Granger was very effective in it too. It's a nice change of pace and I would like to see it some more from both Josh and Danny.

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    I think you are confuse about what a point forward should do.
    no im not he has run the offense for the clippers many times just like Lamar Odom in LA. If you call what Josh did last night running the offense Blake does that quite a bit.

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    Part of what made KG so great is how he used his absolutely sick handles and passing...

    He was definitely a point forward at times.
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    This thread tells me 2 things:

    1 ) Vogel thinks so highly of McBob's skills at facilitating the offense that he trusts him to run the offense
    2 ) Vogel has to resort to having Mcbob facilitate the offense since he didn't fully trust anyone on the floor during that time to run the offense
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    Tyler is very good in the PnR and PnPop.
    That's not playmaking. He's in the role of TARGET off the dribble action of his PG. The PLAY is the playmaker there with the PG being the other part of it. A dangerous and quick PG makes the PnR tough to stop which in turn leaves the big more open for the roll or pop.



    Odom a little bit, KG a little bit. Neither were nearly as much a true Point PF as Mason though.

    Look at the assist to FGA ratio for one thing. It's one thing to just be the most dangerous guy out there and having stuff run THROUGH YOU as others explained, it's another thing to be Mark Jackson at 6'10" and defending the PF at the other end.

    This makes Mason the ideal comparison to me. It wasn't about his offense, it was about his offensive awareness and passing skills.


    I had to listen to the game so I didn't get to see the offense being run this way. Figures one of the few times I don't Tivo features Josh as a point PF part of the time.



    EDIT - Ballism with Sabonis. Great call man. Fits this discussion perfectly.
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    Think there's people getting confused about what a point-forward is. A point-forward brings the ball up the court and distributes the ball and initiates the offensive set. For instance, when we get a rebound, and Collison runs back and gets the ball from the rebounder, and then brings the ball up the court and initiates the offensive set --- that's being a "point" guard. A point forward is a forward who does the same thing.

    There's really not many of those. As people have stated, McRoberts has brought the ball up the court after getting his own rebound, overcame transition ball pressure, and distributed the ball in transition, but hasn't necessarily initiated an offensive set or called a play like you see Collison do. McRoberts is some sorta hybrid point-forward who mainly works in the fast-break transition game but doesn't really initiate the offensive set or call a play.

    Lamar Odom is also very capable of that but you'll actually see him call a play on occasion too, and reset the offense. LeBron is a point-forward at times. Tayshaun Prince is a forward, and plays the role of point quite often. If you consider Iguodala a forward, then he would also be a point-forward. Anthony Mason was a PF who brought the ball up the court, called plays, and initiated the offensive set. Pippen could be a point forward.

    I cannot say that I've seen KG bring the ball up the court and distribute the ball and initiate the offense with any regularity. Maybe early in his career, but I don't remember it recently. KG gets the ball in the paint, goes into a series of moves, draws defenders down, and then makes an inlet/outlet pass to a shooter/cutter --- that's not being a point-forward. That's being a "post passer". Sabonis didn't qualify as a point-forward/center to me. Sabonis was a terrific post passer --- but he rarely got the ball, brought it across the timeline and initiated an offensive set. Amazing, amazing post passer, though.
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    Think there's people getting confused about what a point-forward is. A point-forward brings the ball up the court and distributes the ball and initiates the offensive set. For instance, when we get a rebound, and Collison runs back and gets the ball from the rebounder, and then brings the ball up the court and initiates the offensive set --- that's being a "point" guard. A point forward is a forward who does the same thing.

    There's really not many of those. As people have stated, McRoberts has brought the ball up the court after getting his own rebound, overcame transition ball pressure, and distributed the ball in transition, but hasn't necessarily initiated an offensive set or called a play like you see Collison do. McRoberts is some sorta hybrid point-forward who mainly works in the fast-break transition game.

    Lamar Odom is also very capable of that but you'll actually see him call a play on occasion too, and reset the offense. LeBron is a point-forward at times. Tayshaun Prince is a forward, and plays the role of point quite often. If you consider Iguodala a forward, then he would also be a point-forward. Anthony Mason was a PF who brought the ball up the court, called plays, and initiated the offensive set. Pippen could be a point forward.

    I cannot say that I've seen KG bring the ball up the court and distribute the ball and initiate the offense with any regularity. Maybe early in his career, but I don't remember it recently. KG gets the ball in the paint, goes into a series of moves, draws defenders down, and then makes an inlet/outlet pass to a shooter/cutter --- that's not being a point-forward. That's being a "post passer". Sabonis didn't qualify as a point-guard/center to me. Sabonis was a terrific post passer --- but he rarely got the ball, brought it across the timeline and initiated an offensive set. Amazing, amazing post passer, though.
    Not sometimes, Pippen was the point-forward for the Bulls. He brought it up everytime accept the few times that MJ brought the ball up.

    Grant Hill was also a the point for Detroit. Hill was the only player on his team that ever initiated the offense.

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    Funny, there's an article in Reverse (French basketball magazine) this month about Anthony Mason entitled "Point power forward"

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    T-mac plays point forward now a days

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    You know for someone who follows the Clippers so much it really kills me seeing you spell his name wrong, its Griffin.
    Agreed. I've seen Griffen and Griffing. It hurts.
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    I had to listen to the game so I didn't get to see the offense being run this way. Figures one of the few times I don't Tivo features Josh as a point PF part of the time.
    Jsyk, if you have Comcast, they have Game Replays on the sports option.

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    Agreed. I've seen Griffen and Griffing. It hurts.
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    Remember I'm specifically talking about power forwards, not small forwards, playing running the offense.

    With that in mind, yes I obviously neglected Mason.

    BTW, while Sabonis does not meet the criteria of being a power forward he certainly ran the offense in Portland on several occasions.


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    BTW, while Sabonis does not meet the criteria of being a power forward he certainly ran the offense in Portland on several occasions.
    Sabonis was the first name that popped into my mind when I thought about bigs running an offense.

    I was pretty surprised to see that he only averaged 2 assists per game for his career and only had a single season reaching 3 per game.

    Josh actually averages more assists per 36. That was stunning to me.
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    Remember I'm specifically talking about power forwards, not small forwards, playing running the offense.

    With that in mind, yes I obviously neglected Mason.

    BTW, while Sabonis does not meet the criteria of being a power forward he certainly ran the offense in Portland on several occasions.
    Yeah but at least to me Josh is not a PF, he is a big SF that gets to play PF, there are few guys like him in the NBA, Durant,Green,Odom,Lebron, guys that can play the position but are not true power forwards.

    Edit: I forgot to ad Smarion, and Jamison.
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    EDIT - Ballism with Sabonis. Great call man. Fits this discussion perfectly.
    Sarcasm aside, and the 'power forward' part aside... I might be wrong, but I don't remember a thing McRoberts did in that quarter that Sabonis didn't on pretty regular basis.
    As in, the big gets the ball with 15-18 seconds left at the top of the key or at the wing and initiates the rest of offense.
    Or is the "bring the ball over the halfcourt" part really the crucial part of this discussion (in that case, it's a very fair critique)? I assumed it's not, since I couldnt remember Josh bringing the ball up once last night.

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