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  • #16
    Re: A.J "Bush League" Price

    Unfortunately, you're correct.

    He is almost as bad as Dahntay at being a chucker. Difference is, Dahntay actually makes a pretty good percentage.

    AJ's not losing us games by himself. But he is a major major contributor.
    Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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    • #17
      Re: A.J "Bush League" Price

      Originally posted by Psyren View Post
      AJ's not losing us games by himself. But he is a major major contributor.
      I really have a hard time blaming anyone on the bench. It's hard to constantly dig your way out of a 10+ point hole and expect to win.

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      • #18
        Re: A.J "Bush League" Price

        All this talk about chuckers, but no mention of Danny Granger?
        "The greatest thing you know Comes not from above but below" Danzig

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        • #19
          Re: A.J "Bush League" Price

          Originally posted by imawhat View Post
          AJ has always been a shoot first point guard, imo. That's how I viewed him at Connecticut.

          This is easily the worst basketball I've seen him play, including his UConn days. I'm hoping he snaps out of it soon, but it looks like his knee is still bothering him. That was a major injury he had 9 months ago, and it's remarkable that he was ready to play at all this season.

          Like has been mentioned elsewhere, he's still playing the best PG basketball on the team, which really says more about the position than it does about AJ. Even with AJ's poor shooting, the offense runs much better when he's in the game. He's the only PG still active that has played competent defense this season.

          I love Tyler in the starting lineup, but without Josh in there, Roy getting very few touches and Paul being very passive, the people handling the ball are either unable or unwilling to move the ball. Our offense was run into the ground about 15 games ago and it hasn't recovered.

          Our current starting point guard needs a ton of coaching up and still lacks physical abilities, our backup point guard has decent court vision but shoots too much, and our rookie point guard has great court vision and instincts but has terrible body language, attitude problems, and has a tendency to hot dog on defense.

          There is no question, imo, that upgrading PG should be priorities 1, 2 and 3.
          He was worse his sophomore year at Uconn...(like..pathetically bad..)

          I disagree on "shoot first PG" he had a really good balance, and honestly led on the side of "doesn't shoot enough" (to the point that it was annoying..)

          And...if he missed a few shots..he wasn't shooting again. (even more annoying) He'd score when he needed to. But this is new..particularly the fact that he keeps shooting when..it's not going in.

          I've thrown out this stat before, at Uconn, Price averaged about 10 shots in 35 minutes. Last season, 7 shots in 15.

          But as I keep saying..if you put him on the floor with guys who can score, he'll run an offense. Last night he ran an offense because other people were scoring, and he didn't have to.

          But people forget about the knee, as you said. His shots are short and flat..But he's the new whipping boy (DC says thanks), apparently we lose games because our backup point guard can't bail us out of the ten point + hole we dug. Totally all his fault.
          Last edited by Sookie; 03-27-2011, 12:54 PM.

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          • #20
            Re: A.J "Bush League" Price

            Originally posted by Sookie View Post
            . . . Also, on a different topic..with he way Dahntay has been losing minutes..I'd guess it's probably him that'll be out of the rotation when Dun returns.
            good for brandon. i just hope he can provide the physicallity that dahntay brings. for all his faults, i thought dahntay and danny were the only guys that could overpower someone in the post.

            another lack that needs to be addressed this summer.

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            • #21
              Re: A.J "Bush League" Price

              Originally posted by Sookie View Post
              He was worse his sophomore year at Uconn...(like..pathetically bad..)

              I disagree on "shoot first PG" he had a really good balance, and honestly led on the side of "doesn't shoot enough" (to the point that it was annoying..)

              And...if he missed a few shots..he wasn't shooting again. (even more annoying) He'd score when he needed to. But this is new..particularly the fact that he keeps shooting when..it's not going in.

              I've thrown out this stat before, at Uconn, Price averaged about 10 shots in 35 minutes. Last season, 7 shots in 15.

              But as I keep saying..if you put him on the floor with guys who can score, he'll run an offense. Last night he ran an offense because other people were scoring, and he didn't have to.

              But people forget about the knee, as you said. His shots are short and flat..But he's the new whipping boy (DC says thanks), apparently we lose games because our backup point guard can't bail us out of the ten point + hole we dug. Totally all his fault.
              I went over the whole postgame thread and no one said that we lost the game simply because AJ played bad. Some posters said he was one of the reasons though, and I agree. I think one of the reasons we lost both games is... the way our point guards played.
              Originally posted by Piston Prince
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              • #22
                Re: A.J "Bush League" Price

                Our PGs are so freaking horrible, but AJ is the best the of the bunch.

                At this point, and I hate admitting this, but they need to bring TJ back.

                I think getting a new PG is top priority for next season. Whenever that might be.

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                • #23
                  Re: A.J "Bush League" Price

                  Originally posted by HC View Post
                  All this talk about chuckers, but no mention of Danny Granger?
                  Danny's always been a chucker, he just gets a "pass" from most here.

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                  • #24
                    Re: A.J "Bush League" Price

                    Originally posted by yoadknux View Post
                    I went over the whole postgame thread and no one said that we lost the game simply because AJ played bad. Some posters said he was one of the reasons though, and I agree. I think one of the reasons we lost both games is... the way our point guards played.
                    plenty of people did..this game and last. Heck, that's the point of this thread.

                    Price isn't playing worse than Roy has during month long stretches, and Roy's a huge part of this team. And AJ puts a heck of a lot more effort into the game than Danny does half of the time. Those two are supposed to be our top players. And people are complaining about Price?

                    Our problems never should be about AJ..and its strange people are looking that way. Yes, he's about 1 for 800 this month (And quite frankly, if he had been shooting the same percentage as last season, there would be a "Price is our best PG by a significant margin" feel right now. Because his problem the past two games was shooting..not anything else. And that's what he's being evaluated on here. Probably because its been so bad that its impossible to ignore.)..but typically he plays 15 minutes a game. Seriously..he's our backup point guard right now who still clearly isn't 100% from his knee injury (I mean come on..the kid is a good shooter..this stretch has just been strange)..and even if that's not the problem, he's a young guy that's going to go through some terrible stretches, just like all the other young guys have/had/are. Chill..out...

                    We need two of Danny, Hans, or Roy to play well in order to win, they haven't been. Does poor PG play hurt, yea it does...but we've got a shot at winning if they don't play well..we don't if none of the three players I mentioned aren't playing well. We were winning before because Hans was scoring about 30..he hasn't been bad..but he hasn't been out of this world either offensively...and he doesn't box out..and he doesn't even really defend. Roy disappears (and once again..it's okay because they are young and they are learning..)

                    But really..if there is one player to complain about, one player that needs to step up..needs to show consistent defensive energy, and play like a team..it's Danny Granger. And he's not doing that. Sometimes he does..sometimes he doesn't..but these young guys need someone to look to consistently. They need someone to set the tone. You want to freak out over a player..it's pretty obvious who we should look to first.
                    Last edited by Sookie; 03-27-2011, 02:27 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Re: A.J "Bush League" Price

                      My top PG who was supposedly available is Steph Curry.

                      I don't remember hearing anything about the team denying his availability.

                      I'd love to bring him in.

                      He's the smart PG this team needs. He takes good shots, he's able to find players.

                      The Warriors were interested in Danny too I guess to give them a stronger bench with Dorell Wright backing up.

                      I also saw on a Warriors forum that they'd love to bring in Danny and the only way to do it would be to send us Curry.

                      So get Curry and we can sign a reasonable backup. Preferably a veteran.

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                      • #26
                        Re: A.J "Bush League" Price

                        Originally posted by HC View Post
                        All this talk about chuckers, but no mention of Danny Granger?
                        Originally posted by MiaDragon View Post
                        Danny's always been a chucker, he just gets a "pass" from most here.
                        Danny Granger is our primary scorer and is supposed to take a large quantity of our shots. That's what #1 options do.

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                        • #27
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                          Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                          Because his problem the past two games was shooting..not anything else.
                          No, his problem is that he doesn't have the instinct to get the ball to other players in position to score. That's what a point guard is supposed to do. Price brings the ball down court and then looks for his own shot. He doesn't understand how to involve the other players.

                          I don't dislike Price and I was hoping he'd turn into a player. I had high hopes for him. But he doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game. On more than one occasion he's come in and just killed rallies. If he's not hot then the offense is doomed.

                          I read that he was being encouraged to shoot. I would take the opposite approach. Tell him his job is to pass the ball. Get Brandon involved. Get Paul involved. Those are the guys that need to be encouraged to score.

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                          • #28
                            Re: A.J "Bush League" Price

                            Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                            plenty of people did..this game and last. Heck, that's the point of this thread.

                            Price isn't playing worse than Roy has during month long stretches, and Roy's a huge part of this team. And AJ puts a heck of a lot more effort into the game than Danny does half of the time. Those two are supposed to be our top players. And people are complaining about Price?

                            Our problems never should be about AJ..and its strange people are looking that way. Yes, he's about 1 for 800 this month (And quite frankly, if he had been shooting the same percentage as last season, there would be a "Price is our best PG by a significant margin" feel right now. Because his problem the past two games was shooting..not anything else. And that's what he's being evaluated on here. Probably because its been so bad that its impossible to ignore.)..but typically he plays 15 minutes a game. Seriously..he's our backup point guard right now who still clearly isn't 100% from his knee injury (I mean come on..the kid is a good shooter..this stretch has just been strange)..and even if that's not the problem, he's a young guy that's going to go through some terrible stretches, just like all the other young guys have/had/are. Chill..out...

                            We need two of Danny, Hans, or Roy to play well in order to win, they haven't been. Does poor PG play hurt, yea it does...but we've got a shot at winning if they don't play well..we don't if none of the three players I mentioned aren't playing well. We were winning before because Hans was scoring about 30..he hasn't been bad..but he hasn't been out of this world either offensively...and he doesn't box out..and he doesn't even really defend. Roy disappears (and once again..it's okay because they are young and they are learning..)

                            But really..if there is one player to complain about, one player that needs to step up..needs to show consistent defensive energy, and play like a team..it's Danny Granger. And he's not doing that. Sometimes he does..sometimes he doesn't..but these young guys need someone to look to consistently. They need someone to set the tone. You want to freak out over a player..it's pretty obvious who we should look to first.
                            Personally I didn't see anyone who said AJ is the only guy to blame, but let's drop it.

                            I agree that Roy wasn't productive during these last games, and his bad performance is one of the reasons we lost. But Roy overall plays a lot better than that, he just had some off games. Roy had actually won us some games. Price on the other hand, played maybe a bit below his average performance, which is simply not enough. He does a lot on defense but how productive has he been on offense? Injured or not, he wasn't shooting the ball well since day one of this season... And when a guy doesn't make his shots, it affects the success of the team. I believe he had a part in these losses, but again, He's not the only one to blame.
                            Danny Granger. I agree something isn't right. I agree he's not playing as good as he did for example on his MIP year. I agree he needs more hustle, better D and maybe even better shot selection. But overall he plays well, and I think one guy can only do as much. Once Tyler/Roy/Anyone becomes a consistent offensive threat, IMO Granger won't need to have the burden of carrying our offense, and will play better offense and defense. Last night I saw him double teamed every time he got the ball outside, but we failed to utilize it. Generally I don't blame him. I want him to do more but he does a lot already.
                            By the way, one more thing, I'm not saying DG and Roy play bad because the way our point guards are playing, but I believe there is partially a connection
                            Originally posted by Piston Prince
                            Bobcat fans telling us to cheer up = epic fail season
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                            • #29
                              Re: A.J "Bush League" Price

                              Originally posted by Strummer View Post
                              No, his problem is that he doesn't have the instinct to get the ball to other players in position to score. That's what a point guard is supposed to do. Price brings the ball down court and then looks for his own shot. He doesn't understand how to involve the other players.

                              I don't dislike Price and I was hoping he'd turn into a player. I had high hopes for him. But he doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game. On more than one occasion he's come in and just killed rallies. If he's not hot then the offense is doomed.

                              I read that he was being encouraged to shoot. I would take the opposite approach. Tell him his job is to pass the ball. Get Brandon involved. Get Paul involved. Those are the guys that need to be encouraged to score.
                              Like twice. More times than not its just the opposite.

                              In fact, a majority of the time, he comes into the game, down double digits and has to try and figure out how to get the team back into it. And up until recently, did a pretty darn good job of it.

                              And then he gets thrown on the court with Dahntay, Rush, Josh, and Jeff.

                              With that rotation in, who do you think Vogel wants to score? I think it's pretty obvious. I also think it's pretty obvious that its a really bad rotation, Jim O'brien bad rotation actually..but that's another thread.

                              He was running the offense fine last night. Because people who were on the court with him were actually scoring. He wasn't stuck in a position where he felt like he had to score. He wasn't looking for his own shot at all..because other people were scoring.
                              Last edited by Sookie; 03-27-2011, 03:34 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Re: A.J "Bush League" Price

                                Oh man when I first read this title I was like please don't let sookie see this please.

                                And then it was wayy to late.


                                But I think the 2nd unit, we have Dahntay who wants the ball, and we need some balance, AJ provides some of that. And in that 2nd unit we can't have Dahntay shoot so much, so AJ has to take it up. Although I wish Rush would shoot more.

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