Sorry, I disagree about it being a lateral move. Felton plays better "D" than Collison and that alone makes it NOT a lateral move! Yes, he's older than Collison, but he has playoff experience that Collison doesn't have. That's another valid reason bringing in Felton isn't a lateral move. With Denver being in the playoffs this will be his 2nd year in a row being in the playoffs. With different teams made up of different types of players and systems. That's even more experience that bodes well for bringing in Felton.
Felton can be the PG for the next couple of years while Collison is brought along in developing his game. Nothing chisled in stone says Collison has to be the starting PG nor the absolute PG of the future for the Pacers. You upgrade when you have the opportunity not when between a rock and a hard place and have no other option.
I posted in another thread earlier today that the Pacers numerous options on how to get Felton, and all start with this years #15 pick. This pick and being able to absorb Felton's contract with them not having to take a contract back is a good place to start. The trade can be expanded with the Pacers sending a youngster like Stephenson and/or Price plus Lorbek/Stanko.
Felton would be an enormous upgrade. Enormous.
I'm laughing b/c last year right b4 the last game of the season I started a thread about Shaun. The last game of the season was against the Wiz who Shaun was playing for. The comments he's injury prone, he can't play anymore were comments stated. News flash to those making those comments, Livingston hasn't missed a game this year do to injury, and he's been a credible b/u PG for the Bobcats this year.
I think Felton is an upgrade.. But isn't "Enormous" stretching it? I mean Felton is very much a systems guy just like Darren Collison is. This is evidenced by the fact that since Felton has been in Denver, in 32 MPG, he has averaged 10.8 on 42% shooting and 6.8 assists.
Felton is better than Collison but I think that you are underrating Collison.. I know you don't like him but he's not a bad player at all.
Felton is being massively overrated because of his time in NY. I mean he was an average starter at best before he got put in the D'Antoni stat inflation system.
The pining for Raymond Felton is a textbook example of "the grass is always greener on the other side." He had a nice run under Mike D'Antoni, but asides from that he's been incredibly mediocre throughout his career. If we want a long-term point guard upgrade, we need look elsewhere, because he's not it.
I already looked this up before and I still came to the conclusion that I think he would be an upgrade over Collsion. His leadership and defense is what sells me that he is better than Collsion. As long as the price is reasonable than I think having both would be a valuable asset to the team.
Edit: Sort of like have a vet starting sg to teach PG.
Last edited by Gamble1; 03-28-2011 at 09:18 AM.
Is funny to me that nobody have even talk about how good Felton is in the pick and roll, he could make Tyler, Josh and even Danny better, the guy is as good as anybody at doing this, there is a reason why Amare was in the MVP talks before the Melo trade and his numbers were huge in big part because of Felton.
Last edited by vnzla81; 03-25-2011 at 03:43 PM.
I don't think Felton is an upgrade to Collison.
Felton is the type of PG any team would love to have.
He passes the ball around and knows how to find guys and he also plays good defense.
Don't confuse our team lacking other players than collison who are good at the pick and roll as collison being anything less than really good at it.
In fact New York fans actually were very dissapointed in his pick and roll ability from what I can gather from the real gm knicks board. His gaudy assists numbers are mostly a product of the ridiculous pace, propensity of his teammates to chuck 3's after a pass, and thirdly the pick and roll.
You remember chris duhon averaged over 7 assists per game in that system...
If there's a lockout, and it takes full season, Felton wouldn't even play a game for us. So, what's the point to lose a draft pick and risk losing it for nothing?
We can just sign him next summer if we really want him.
Last edited by ballism; 03-25-2011 at 06:03 PM.
Lets break it down.
Playmaking instincts: Felton
How much can Collison improve? This is an important question. I think ultimately they are both average to slightly above average starting PGs at best. However, if you value leadership and intangibles in your point guard than Felton fits the bill. Can Collison develop these qualities? I don't know.
Collison's defense bothers me the most, I don't really think it will improve much. However, he is a very good offensive point guard. I also think he can get better at running an offense and improve his PG play if he gets time to develop better chemistry with his teammates and finally get to settle on a coach and system.
I think I'm leaning toward sticking with Collison now, although I see a real clear value of getting a veteran backup with better defense and intangibles to help counteract Collison's weaknesses. Nothing at all against AJ Price, who I like, but getting a guy like Felton or Jarret Jack could have some real value even if we stick with Collison.
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I see no reason to give up on Collison as long as his contract is favorable, unless you get a player who is a clear upgrade in every aspect to him--which is likely a top 5 point guard. Why shuffle the deck for someone who is a marginal upgrade in one category, yet a marginal downgrade in another? Would doing that gain the team any more wins over the course of the season? This assumes the intangible of team chemistry is unchanged or improved by acquiring said marginal talent upgrade.