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Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

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  • #16
    Re: Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

    Things are going exactly as I thought they would for Tyler. It's taken a little longer than expected due to his injury and some bizarre DNP-CDs, but he's found his niche as a scorer

    His pre-draft writeup from DX sounds very similar to what we're now seeing...

    Situational Statistics: This Year's (2009) Power Forward Crop :: DraftExpress.com

    What about Tyler Hansbrough you ask? He actually fared quite well, in a number of different categories in fact. For one, he ranked third amongst all PFs in points per possession in terms of finishing around the basket, at 1.39. His field goal percentage was fairly average here—64%, just slightly under the mean—but the fact that he draws fouls on an outstanding 20% of his possessions (easily ranking him first) made him substantially more efficient in that regard. He also managed to keep his turnovers extremely low, and also did a nice job converting on his jump-shot attempts—making a very solid 42% on an admittedly small 2.7 possessions per game. His ability to operate out of isolation situations looks very encouraging (50% FG), while he was the second most efficient PF in post-up situations as well. From a pure statistical standpoint, Hansbrough obviously looks like a solid prospect based on his college data.

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    • #17
      Re: Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

      Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
      What would it take to please me? For him to do it for the rest of season and actually play well against good playoff defense like Boston's (edit he just went 4-14 against Boston). David West on the other hand just went 14-23 scoring 32 points against Boston.
      He dropped 29 & 12 on 12-19 shooting against arguably the best defending foursome of bigs in the league: Noah, Gibson, Asik and Kurt Thomas. Charlotte also has a solid defensive frontcourt, and Tyler abused them as well (8-10, 24 points).

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      • #18
        Re: Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

        If Paul George was putting up similar numbers, half this board would be screaming, "The next Jordan"....

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        • #19
          Re: Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

          Originally posted by Jared Sullinger View Post
          He dropped 29 & 12 on 12-19 shooting against arguably the best defending foursome of bigs in the league: Noah, Gibson, Asik and Kurt Thomas. Charlotte also has a solid defensive frontcourt, and Tyler abused them as well (8-10, 24 points).
          He also scored 27 against Kenyon Martin in Denver which is very impressive.

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          • #20
            Re: Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

            Originally posted by Jared Sullinger View Post
            He dropped 29 & 12 on 12-19 shooting against arguably the best defending foursome of bigs in the league: Noah, Gibson, Asik and Kurt Thomas. Charlotte also has a solid defensive frontcourt, and Tyler abused them as well (8-10, 24 points).
            I defiantly wouldn't say that is the best defensive frontcourt in the NBA. Noah is the only guy I think defensively is exceptional and he isn't guarding him most of the time and if Boozer is in the game then I think we see a different stat line.

            One game is one game and like Kstat pointed out 10 games isn't enough time to gauge a players future production. Case in point take the 10 games prior to the ones listed in this thread and tyler is shooting just below 40% which is horrible for a pf.

            I really hope Tyler just dominates in the playoffs against Boston or the Bulls but I think its too early to post a thread like this and act like he has solidified the pf position for the next 10 years.

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            • #21
              Re: Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

              Tyler has been playing extremely well. But I'm not convinced he is the answer to our power forward position.

              You cannot just look at his play or his stats in a vacuum and say OK he is the answer. You have to over a longer period of time see how he fits with the other starters how does he fit with Danny and Roy. I think by any objective measure we do not have the answer to that question and there is plenty of evidence that it isn't the best fit.

              In general you do not build a team by looking at the stats, in fact that is usually a disaster if you do. For example, you do not build a team by saying OK Tyler is averaging 21 PPG OK we are set there, Roy is averaging 15 a game, Danny 20 OK our front line is set, end of discussion, let move on. No that is just the wrong approach. The players must fit together.

              Rik, Dale and Derrick fit together - it took us about 6 years to find two players that would work with Rik. if we are dead set on Roy, it might take a couple more years to find the right mix with him.

              So IMO a discussion of stats is mainly a waste of time. Was anyone ever impressed by Dale or Derrick's stats? No
              Last edited by Unclebuck; 03-24-2011, 11:22 AM.

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              • #22
                Re: Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

                No matter what Hans does I feel this team still needs an athletic big who can be a weakside shot blocker, help on the boards and play both PF/C. Preferably one that compliments Hibberts game and can start with him if need be.

                In a perfect world the Pacers would have three guys (Hibbert, Hans, Player X) man the two big-man positions, all getting starters minutes, so it doesn't matter which of the power forwards start. Adding another power forward is not being against Hans, it's just adding another type of player to the team, to potentially play with him.

                Of course West and Randolph are not that type of power forward so I'm not necessarily gung-ho for getting them.

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                • #23
                  Re: Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

                  Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                  I defiantly wouldn't say that is the best defensive frontcourt in the NBA. Noah is the only guy I think defensively is exceptional and he isn't guarding him most of the time and if Boozer is in the game then I think we see a different stat line.

                  One game is one game and like Kstat pointed out 10 games isn't enough time to gauge a players future production. Case in point take the 10 games prior to the ones listed in this thread and tyler is shooting just below 40% which is horrible for a pf.

                  I really hope Tyler just dominates in the playoffs against Boston or the Bulls but I think its too early to post a thread like this and act like he has solidified the pf position for the next 10 years.
                  Don't underestimate Kurt Thomas on that side of the floor. He's been valuable to Da Bulls with the injuries to some of their guys.

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                  • #24
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                    I personally believe that Tyler will continue to prove himself on the offensive end of the court. If that means that Tyler will end up being the starting PF next to Roy at C then fine.

                    But that means there is one thing that you must be willing to accept. Your frontcourt defense will be flawed.

                    Naptown evaluates the biggest area of need for the Pacers as SG. Personally, if Tyler is capable of throwing up points over the long haul the way he has the last 10 games, I see nothing wrong with Naptown's perspective. BUT... if you go that route as far as I'm concerned there is only ONE SG that we should be targetting: Igoudala.

                    If we have Tyler and Roy set as our starters in the front court, then our perimeter players must ALL be strong defenders. Granger is capable of being a high-level defender but does not seem to have the focus to sustain that level of effort defensively. That MUST change. And, George appears to be a possible upper-tier defender somewhere down the line... possibly as the first wing off the bench in support of Granger and Igoudala? That also means that a player like DJones is not a bad player to keep around. All of these players are also capable scorers.

                    That would leave just one perimeter position to man. It is much more difficult to find a PG that plays very good defense in addition to having desirable or even adequate offensive characteristics. Price doesn't do a bad job defensively coming off the bench. But the Pacers would need to find a new starter because I don't believe Collison will be capable of providing the defense needed to combine with Granger and Igoudala on the perimeter... again assuming that Roy and Tyler are the front court starters.

                    It's really a crapshoot on which way to go. If you can't get a player like Igoudala that is considered to be a defensive stopper at SG, then going that direction may not be the way to go. To become a contender that would then almost force you to address better defense in the front court starters (i.e. PF).

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                    • #25
                      Re: Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

                      offensively, tyler has been great. offensively he just has to produce numbers game after game. 300 to 400 points every 20 games. in other words, show that he can adjust to the adjustments that are coming. and show he can produce points game in and game out thru a whole season.

                      i see no obvious reason he cannot do that going forward.

                      but defensively, tyler needs to show that he can defend his position, play good team defense. here is where i think why he is not the answer to the pacers PF spot. tyler is undersized and lacks hops. that makes him unable to defend the rim playing off the ball. it means guys can shoot over him. it means guys can score on him in the post. right now, the pacers are doing a pretty good job of protecting tyler defensively by having roy and jeff take the stronger low post guys on defense. to be the pacer answer at the PF spot, tyler needs to be able to defend his position in spite of his physical limits.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

                        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                        In general you do not build a team by looking at the stats, in fact that is usually a disaster if you do. For example, you do not build a team by saying OK Tyler is averaging 21 PPG OK we are set there, Roy is averaging 15 a game, Danny 20 OK our front line is set, end of discussion, let move on. No that is just the wrong approach. The players must fit together.
                        I agree with that if you're talking about players who you are acquiring from different teams and are now hoping they can play together. But these three are all doing this together now, so if you like their stats that they are producing while on the same team, then I think that says they fit well enough. At least when it comes to offense.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

                          It is still early IMO. Although what I really don't understand is the criticism he's been getting since he joined the draft up until now. I think with his current level of play, the point that his offensive game won't translate in the NBA should now be dismissed.

                          What I really want from him to improve is his rebounding. He can get tough rebounds, yes. But with his toughness I expect him to get better rebounding numbers on a consistent basis. Hopefully with additional experience and training he'll improve on that aspect.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

                            Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                            I defiantly wouldn't say that is the best defensive frontcourt in the NBA. Noah is the only guy I think defensively is exceptional and he isn't guarding him most of the time and if Boozer is in the game then I think we see a different stat line.
                            I agree. If Boozer had played, Hansbrough might have gone for 40.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

                              I think he needs to free Libia and score 20/20/20 to make his critics happy.
                              Last edited by vnzla81; 03-24-2011, 12:47 PM.
                              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                              • #30
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                                Originally posted by dohman View Post
                                With that said I do not know who we would go after but a player like dwill would make.this.team top 5 worthy pretty quick. We would have to wait another year to get him though.
                                Stop. Please. There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that a player like DWill is going to come here. NONE.

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